Is there a way to adjust or modify CC settings in BIAB?
Using the MIDI Monitor you can see what the continuous controller (CC) settings are, but they can't be modified there.
I know that you can take the song over to RB and make these changes but that also forces the RealTracks to regenerate even if their frozen. When making small final tweaks in BIAB, having to take it back to RB, changed CC levels and then taking it back into BIAB destroys the work.
So on a finished song in BIAB is there someplace else in BIAB where these can be changed without having to go back into RB?
Doesn't seem to do what I need to do. What I want to do is to edit CC's, particularly reverb and chorus, cc91 and 93, on the Thru track (track 5). I can't get it to display anything from the track 5 data.
I even went back to track 4 (melody) where the original data is from, and can't see anything other than note number, velocity and channel number.
When I try to use the filter in the event editor nothing comes up...all data is blank.
Doesn't seem to do what I need to do. What I want to do is to edit CC's, particularly reverb and chorus, cc91 and 93, on the Thru track (track 5). I can't get it to display anything from the track 5 data.
I even went back to track 4 (melody) where the original data is from, and can't see anything other than note number, velocity and channel number.
When I try to use the filter in the event editor nothing comes up...all data is blank.
Is the filter working on your setup?
Event Editor works here like a charm; e.g. cc91, cc93 show up and may be edited whenever a file has such controls on some channel.
Depending on the origin of the MIDI file, it may not contain CC messages (e.g. downloaded from the internet, where the source did not include this data?)
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Depending on the origin of the MIDI file, it may not contain CC messages (e.g. downloaded from the internet, where the source did not include this data?)
In my example I moved the pan and reverb settings in the mixer, the MIDI was generated in BiaB and not an import. No CC messages showed in the editor. When I move the MIDI file into my DAW I do get the CCs.
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Thanks for the clarification Mario. So it does seem that there is a possibility that something is broken in the way the program handles this.
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May well be by design. Consider the mixer as some digital filter. The filter adds reverb and stuff to some otherwise potentially even 'dry' midi input signal. When you create or export the rendered midi, you get all CCs added via the mixer - yet when you check the event editor prior to exporting through the mixer, you see just the 'dry' midi signals void of CCs.
Check on opening the midi file that shows CCs in some DAW via BiaB - you'll likely see these CCs there as well.
May well be by design. Consider the mixer as some digital filter. The filter adds reverb and stuff to some otherwise potentially even 'dry' midi input signal. When you create or export the rendered midi, you get all CCs added via the mixer - yet when you check the event editor prior to exporting through the mixer, you see just the 'dry' midi signals void of CCs.
Check on opening the midi file that shows CCs in some DAW via BiaB - you'll likely see these CCs there as well.
That may well be by design but it would be the first MIDI editor that I've ever seen that didn't show all of a track's MIDI data.
Note that this isn't a problem for me as I never have used the BiaB MIDI editor, I do most all of my work in my DAW.
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That may well be by design but it would be the first MIDI editor that I've ever seen that didn't show all of a track's MIDI data.
If midi data would already include all CCs, what good would be a 'mixer'?
Hi Martin, I see your point however I can use my DAW's mixer to change CCs and still see those changes in an editor. BiaB is the only editor that I know of that doesn't show said mixer changes. Maybe that is because the mixer does not record CC changes until export, I don't know for sure as I do not use BiaB that way.
Originally Posted By: MartinB
Did you run any experiment loading some midi file with CCs, and which does not need to get piped through a mixer?
No. I haven't loaded a MIDI file into BiaB for a couple of years now.
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I just ran an exercise playing some song and fiddling with reverb via the mixer. The Midi Monitor shows changes of CC91 events in realtime - so the Midi Monitor does show mixer changes after all . . .
Right, this is exactly what I'm seeing....no CC data in the Event Editor.
When opening some midi file that contains CC data, I do see CC data in the Event Editor . . .
I am not talking about an imported MIDI file, I am talking about a BiaB generated MIDI song.
In the editor I added a CC10 with a value of 63 in the first editor slot of a MIDI piano track so the pan setting would be seen as the first data point. It had no effect on the piano track. The mixer was controlling the pan setting not the inputted CC data. Again this is not what I have seen on other MIDI editors.
Would someone else verify this as it may be a bug.
Edit - I just did a little more investigation. All CCs that I inserted into the MIDI editor worked except pan and anything that effects the volume; both of those are controlled by the mixer. If someone would verify this I will put a request in the wish list to include pan and volume CCs in the MIDI editor.
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