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Recording audio while playing BIAB song in Realband -- Timing issues #634811 01/06/21 06:16 PM RealBand
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OP berntd Apprentice Joined: May 2019 Posts: 282 Sydney, Australia	Realband Newbie here... I have a Focusrite 2i2 Gen 3 witha icrophone one one input. I have a Band ina Box song loaded in Realband. I press Record Audio. It starts, has a metronome and plays the song and I do record. I keep the take. The I play this back and the audio is not quite on time. I think the audio is late. It looks that way on the tracks waveform. I assume it is some latency, possibly in the BIAB audio out from Realband to speakers during record or input from the mic to Realband. I think I have the same issue when recording in BIAB directly. How do I fix/get around this? This Realband from BIAB 2020 Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) Timing capture1.JPG (107.99 KB, 118 downloads) Trombone recorded on track 12 Last edited by berntd; 01/06/21 06:38 PM. Band in a Box Latest: ULTRA 2020 (734) on Win 10 And: MEGA 2020 (720) on Windows 7

Re: Recording audio while playing BIAB song in Realband -- Timing issues berntd #634821 01/06/21 11:38 PM RealBand
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Bob Calver Veteran Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,147 Essex England	latency (lag of recorded sound to the RB backing tracks) is usually a problem caused by the drivers. your focusrite should come with its own ASIO drivers which should cure the problem. choose the driver for input and output. what audio drivers are you using at the moment?

Re: Recording audio while playing BIAB song in Realband -- Timing issues Bob Calver #634823 01/06/21 11:58 PM RealBand
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OP berntd Apprentice Joined: May 2019 Posts: 282 Sydney, Australia	Originally Posted By: Bob Calver latency (lag of recorded sound to the RB backing tracks) is usually a problem caused by the drivers. your focusrite should come with its own ASIO drivers which should cure the problem. choose the driver for input and output. what audio drivers are you using at the moment? True. I note that BIAB uses WAS always.(I reckon it has similar latencies to Realband). Realband uses Windows default (MME only) But I use the Focusrite for mic input only and computer headphone out to amplifier/speakers. Band in a Box Latest: ULTRA 2020 (734) on Win 10 And: MEGA 2020 (720) on Windows 7

Re: Recording audio while playing BIAB song in Realband -- Timing issues berntd #634827 01/07/21 12:19 AM RealBand
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Bob Calver Veteran Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,147 Essex England	change the driver then - MME will always give latency problems - WAS is usually ok but the dedicated ASIO drivers for your interface will be the best solution Last edited by Bob Calver; 01/07/21 12:21 AM.

Re: Recording audio while playing BIAB song in Realband -- Timing issues Bob Calver #634830 01/07/21 12:38 AM RealBand
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OP berntd Apprentice Joined: May 2019 Posts: 282 Sydney, Australia	Originally Posted By: Bob Calver change the driver then - MME will always give latency problems - WAS is usually ok but the dedicated ASIO drivers for your interface will be the best solution I am a bit weary of ASIO drivers as I had a heap of trouble. I will look into i.t Just read in the The RealBand user manual that it supports the newer "Windows Audio Session (WASAPI) audio driver" which has almost zero latency. Is that the same as WAS ? ? Band in a Box Latest: ULTRA 2020 (734) on Win 10 And: MEGA 2020 (720) on Windows 7

Re: Recording audio while playing BIAB song in Realband -- Timing issues berntd #634844 01/07/21 02:16 AM RealBand
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Bob Calver Veteran Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,147 Essex England	yes it is but as long as you rely on MME you will get latency. i seem to remember yuo were using ASIO4ALL which is not as reliable as proper ASIO drivers.

Re: Recording audio while playing BIAB song in Realband -- Timing issues berntd #634861 01/07/21 04:15 AM RealBand
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Bob Calver Veteran Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,147 Essex England	look at the forum for recording and mixing, in response to a post i put on about your interface, matt finlay has advised that genuine ASIO drivers are available for your interface. MME will always cause lag and ASIO4ALL has its own problems. If you have difficulty downloading the real ASIO drivers, I suggest you post in the thread on recording and mixing that has your interface in the title

Re: Recording audio while playing BIAB song in Realband -- Timing issues berntd #635476 01/10/21 02:21 AM RealBand
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Stonker Enthusiast S Joined: Jan 2021 Posts: 34	I am having the same problem with a USB microphone. Should I start a new thread or join in the debate here?

Re: Recording audio while playing BIAB song in Realband -- Timing issues berntd #635488 01/10/21 03:22 AM RealBand
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Bob Calver Veteran Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,147 Essex England	Which driver are you using? Mme will always cause lag. WAS is ok but ASIO drivers are the best. Berntd seems to have given up but if we can help you just ask but we need to know the kit you are using, current driver and what you are tring to do.

Re: Recording audio while playing BIAB song in Realband -- Timing issues berntd #635491 01/10/21 03:42 AM RealBand
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Rob Helms Veteran R Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 8,792 Pawling New York	I haven’t had latency for years now. As Bob said it is simple if you use the proper driver. I remember back a few years when asio4all was the rage. That was because so many people were using interfaces with either no native ASIO drivers or using a mixer or such. Asio4all is just a wrapper that makes mme drivers act like ASIO. Once I downloaded a native ASIO driver for my interface I eliminated my latency. HP Win 11 12 gig ram, Mac mini Sonoma with 16 gig of ram, BiaB/RB 2026, Reaper 7, Harrison Mixbus 11 , Presonus Audiobox USB96

Re: Recording audio while playing BIAB song in Realband -- Timing issues berntd #635525 01/10/21 06:58 AM RealBand
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Stonker Enthusiast S Joined: Jan 2021 Posts: 34	I think I'm using MME. I have an audio technica 2020USB. I am trying to record sax over the top but everything I record I have to adjust after. I didn't notice this with audacity

Re: Recording audio while playing BIAB song in Realband -- Timing issues berntd #635531 01/10/21 07:20 AM RealBand
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Mike Head Expert Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,114 Cornwall UK	Hi Yes well Audacity does not support Asio drivers anyway so when using you interface whith Audacity MME is fine . But for band in a box a dedicated Asio driver is really needed. Mike BIAB2021 UltraPlus,AsusN55S1Tbssd, W10/64,Akai EIEpro Yamaha CVP405,SquireStrat, CoolsoftVMidSynth Novatation Impulse61 Ctr kbd, Cwalk blab Kontakt http://mikesmusic.byethost16.com/

Re: Recording audio while playing BIAB song in Realband -- Timing issues berntd #635541 01/10/21 07:43 AM RealBand
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Bob Calver Veteran Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,147 Essex England	i looked up your mic and the only instructions i can find are for windows XP and Vista and no mention of ASIO or special drivers. swap the driver to WAS and see what happens

Re: Recording audio while playing BIAB song in Realband -- Timing issues Stonker #635548 01/10/21 08:06 AM RealBand
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Del Apprentice Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 193 ND	If using MME or Windows Audio like I do, click on Preferences and go to the Audio tab. Toward the bottom of that page you will see 'Recording Offset MS (MME/Windows Audio)' Enter a number into the box. I use an entry of 25 which takes care of 25 milliseconds of recording delay. Try this and see if it takes care of the delay, if it isn't enough, try 35 or 40 milliseconds until you find the right number. I use an old Behringer mixer with USB output and have used MME or Windows Audio as a driver within Realband since 2008 with no problems after correcting the delay. I tried the ASIO driver that Behringer provided but had trouble with it so went back to Windows audio. Del

Re: Recording audio while playing BIAB song in Realband -- Timing issues berntd #635555 01/10/21 08:37 AM RealBand
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Bob Calver Veteran Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,147 Essex England	funnily enough i found i did not need to use an offset with WAS and the way i play i'm not sure i'd notice 25 thousandths of a second whereas the lag with MME is very pronounced i used to use WAS with my soundblaster audigy internal soundcard with no trouble but i use ASIO with my behringer audio interface

Re: Recording audio while playing BIAB song in Realband -- Timing issues berntd #635560 01/10/21 09:33 AM RealBand
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Stonker Enthusiast S Joined: Jan 2021 Posts: 34	OK, I'll try these things

Re: Recording audio while playing BIAB song in Realband -- Timing issues berntd #635574 01/10/21 10:39 AM RealBand
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Stonker Enthusiast S Joined: Jan 2021 Posts: 34	ok it says I didn't select an asio driver so selects windows audio

Re: Recording audio while playing BIAB song in Realband -- Timing issues berntd #635576 01/10/21 10:49 AM RealBand
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Stonker Enthusiast S Joined: Jan 2021 Posts: 34	The offset seems to work at about 97

Re: Recording audio while playing BIAB song in Realband -- Timing issues Bob Calver #635592 01/10/21 11:39 AM RealBand
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OP berntd Apprentice Joined: May 2019 Posts: 282 Sydney, Australia	Originally Posted By: Bob Calver ...Berntd seems to have given up... Say what now? Berntd giving up? Band in a Box Latest: ULTRA 2020 (734) on Win 10 And: MEGA 2020 (720) on Windows 7

Re: Recording audio while playing BIAB song in Realband -- Timing issues Del #635598 01/10/21 12:05 PM RealBand
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OP berntd Apprentice Joined: May 2019 Posts: 282 Sydney, Australia	Originally Posted By: Del If using MME or Windows Audio like I do, click on Preferences and go to the Audio tab. Toward the bottom of that page you will see 'Recording Offset MS (MME/Windows Audio)' Enter a number into the box. That is very good info. I will look into that. I have since also got the ASIO driver for the Focusrite installed. I am still experimenting. Realband seems to crash quite a lot. Band in a Box Latest: ULTRA 2020 (734) on Win 10 And: MEGA 2020 (720) on Windows 7

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