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I have a problem with BIAB randomly unable to generate one or more real tracks in a song.

The tracks are there, in my D drive where all my real tracks and drums are, and I can get the song to generate all tracks if I exit BIAB and restart.

Just another annoying bug I suppose, but as always I would be interested in suggestions for a remedy. This started on build 814 and continued with 822. I have the Ultrapak with all real tracks.

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Hi,

Just to clarify...

1) Is D: drive and internal computer hard drive or a USB drive?

2) Is the BIAB program installed to D:\bb?

3) Are your Realtracks in D:\bb\Realtracks?

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G'day Noel

D: drive is an internal hard drive, separate from the SSD C: drive.

BIAB is installed on C: and the real tracks and drums are on D:

Realtracks on D:\bb realtracks\Realtracks\ as displayed in the RealTracks Settings in preferences.

The DAW plugin is installed on C:

It seems to happen when I Auto Fix Sour Notes, or perhaps when I add/exchange a real track.

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Thanks for the extra information. That helps.

Are the Realtracks that don't generate on: (1) the Melody track; (2) the Soloist track; (3) a Utility track? These tracks don't automatically regenerate.

The image below shows BIAB's original/static track names. Tracks #6, #7 and #10 are the tracks I'm meaning.

Even though #6/#7 change names depending on what instrument is on them, in BIAB nomenclature, they are the Melody and Soloist tracks.

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The RealTracks are located on tracks 1 to 5.

I think the problem may be associated with any change I make, e.g sub a real track, or apply the sour note fix.

So essentially what happens is that I load a style with up to five tracks, and if I want to change an instrument or whatever, the problem might occur.

If I save the song, exit and reopen the file, all tracks work fine.

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I have exactly the same problem.

Styles are installed and are often working fine, but sometimes, an Error 256 comes up, regardless of whether I sub a real track or not.

I have discovered that I can usually regenerate a single track by right clicking on the track itself > track actions > regenerate.
Same for utility tracks.


But this trick doesn't work for drum tracks. When the drums remain silent after happily counting the band in, I need to close BIAB and restart it again, which seems to fix it.

This error is a bit of a nuisance, and it also happens when picking styles and choosing to play back the first 4 bars of the arrangement. Quite often, tracks will remain silent, or a style may be reduced to a lonely shaker.

I also use the sour note fix quite often, which I am very grateful for. But maybe it's got something to do with that?
During a support chat, it was suggested that perhaps some of my style set files might be corrupt and that the error would appear if the generation was calling for a particular pattern variation... ?

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G'day Dean.

I guess I should be pleased that you have experienced the same problem, as this shows that I am not alone in this.

I tried, after consulting with PG live help, reinstalling BIAB and the real tracks which came with the 2021 Ultrpak upgrade. This didn't work as the error is still there.

This happens with both 32 and 64 bit versions of BIAB.

The error is getting clever because it will pop up even without sour note fix, or a change of real track. I agree that this is a bit of a nuisance.

Perhaps PG Music can have a look at this for the next update.

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I am bumping this again in the hope that someone from PG music responds with an answer to the problem.

The most common track to not play is the bass, but the other tracks also malfunction at random.

I have reset, reinstalled, rebuilt but nothing stops this annoying little bug.

If I save the song, exit and reopen, all tracks play. Then if I try another style the problem returns.

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I am a bit confused. Are you getting an Error Message when the track does not play or is the problem that the track is just silent? If an error message, what exactly does it say? Can you send us a file where the problem occurs?


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I gave this a try - BIAB 2021, 822, all working fine (well, apart from some of what's being discussed on here).

This is what I did:
- created a track in Cmaj, 4 bars, C only, 3 choruses
- selected a style with 5 instruments _CTRTSEC
- generated, played - all ok
- selected Piano track, changed RT to Best Sub (1855, also 2428) - regenerated and played ok
- for the newly updated track, changed AutoFix Sour Notes to 'Song Chords' - BIAB crashed (not responding)

I tried this a number of times with the same result - BIAB will hang.

I have also tried other RT subs (best Chords,..), sometimes I was able to select 2 or 3 different RTs, generate/play ok, but eventually when disabling/enabling AutoFix Sour Notes, BIAB will hang again..

I hope that this will assist the support team. As far as I can see, BIAB has a problem.....

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Originally Posted By: bloos66

This is what I did:
- created a track in Cmaj, 4 bars, C only, 3 choruses
- selected a style with 5 instruments _CTRTSEC
- generated, played - all ok
- selected Piano track, changed RT to Best Sub (1855, also 2428) - regenerated and played ok
- for the newly updated track, changed AutoFix Sour Notes to 'Song Chords' - BIAB crashed (not responding)



Followed step by step - no crash with BIAB 2021 - 823.


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I did this again (822), followed my previous steps, and hey, it worked.
Then I proceeded to:
- change AutoFix to Chords - fine
- select a new best RT - bang, BIAB stopped working (Not Responding)

My view, after playing around with this for a while now - BIAB has a problem at certain combinations of Autofix and selecting new RTs. It might take 3 or three RTs before it hangs, it may take changing Autofix from Song to Chords...

It's perhaps not something that users will generally do a lot, but as far as I can see, BIAB in 822 will crash (Not Responding) pretty soon after performing the 2 actions above.....

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Can't argue with that conclusion. tired


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Yes I think it is a bug. It doesn't make sense that the error code 256 says to check real tracks are correctly installed, then the non playing track will play if I close and reopen the file. So a little message to whoever programs the error messages, the flamin' tracks are there and have been all the time, so stop trying to tell me that I have made an error in installing the real tracks!

I hope this can be fixed because I like to use the sour note fix whenever I change or add tracks to a style. For example, some of the soloist tracks are too manic to be of any use, so I like to change them to something more in keeping with the rhythm of the style.

I use an iMac for most computer work. I purposefully bought a Windows PC to use BIAB and that is basically all the software I use. Is it typical for Windows software to be like BIAB, which seems to require continuous updates to fix problems?

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Originally Posted By: Bunyip
I use an iMac for most computer work. Is it typical for Windows software ... to require continuous updates to fix problems?


Is that a serious question?? ...said with a big ... grin


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This is what I did:
- created a track in Cmaj, 4 bars, C only, 3 choruses
- selected a style with 5 instruments _CTRTSEC
- generated, played - all ok
- selected Piano track, changed RT to Best Sub (1855, also 2428) - regenerated and played ok
- for the newly updated track, changed AutoFix Sour Notes to 'Song Chords' - BIAB crashed (not responding)



Followed step by step - no crash with BIAB 2021 - 823.


823? Still in BETA?


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Yes


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Quick follow up - I had to do a RTFS to test out the audio recording feature, so I thought i might re-test the previous issue with clean factory settings:

This is what I did:
- created a track in Cmaj, 4 bars, C only, 3 choruses
- selected a style with 5 instruments _BIGTIME
- generated, played - all ok
- selected saxophone track, changed RT to Best Sub (3448 Flugelhorn, very nice) - regenerated and played ok
- for the newly updated track, changed AutoFix Sour Notes to 'Song Chords' - BIAB crashed (not responding)

That's all from me for this topic :-)

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I rather think this program is coming the raw prawn.

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I can replicate this issue on my system.

- created a track in Cmaj, 4 bars, C only, 3 choruses
- selected a style with 5 instruments _CTRTSEC
- generated, played - all ok
- selected Piano track, changed RT to Best Sub (1855, also 2428) - regenerated and played ok
- for the newly updated track, changed AutoFix Sour Notes to 'Song Chords' - BIAB crashed (not responding)

I noted that the track not responding each time has been the Drums....


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