Maybe someone can check if there are any MIDI CC events that are forcing a specific MIDI channel. Sometimes that can cause issues until you remove the particular event.
I've been through the step-edit dialogue and set everything to the same channel and it's made no obvious difference. An oddity still is that that process shows everything now on channel 6, though other people here believe BIAB has it on channel 3. I'm not doubting what anyone says, just puzzled why the channel seems to be different in different places.
FWIW, the first two notes in the step-edit and a number of rests were on channel 1. Everything else there is on channel 6. How it gets to channel 3 I know not.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11 BIAB2025 Audiophile, a bunch of other software. Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts .
I just did Melody->Edit Melody Track->Step Edit Melody and it opened the drum track.
Maybe I've been editing the wrong event list! The notes I inspected were right, though.
There's still a puzzle, though, because that list _does_ show channel _four_ for the melody, as I now understand BIAB expects/intends. Exploring further.
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The MIDI channel for all events on the melody track has changed to channel 4 and, if I now remove the Sforzando plug-in, I can get it to play the trombone.
I'm pretty sure it hadn't changed them to channel four after I altered the rest events from ch1 to ch6 to match the remainder, but it's changed now.
The difficulty is understanding exactly what I did to get that outcome.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11 BIAB2025 Audiophile, a bunch of other software. Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts .
One last question I have to ask. I am on Build 825 what Build are you on?
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822, which it says is up-to-date. I presume you have a release candidate version.
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So why do I see the Melody on Channel #3 when it should be on Channel #4??
Or a better question, Who put a -1 in this hidden option? And could it only be Build 825?
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So why do I see the Melody on Channel #3 when it should be on Channel #4??
Or a better question, Who put a -1 in this hidden option? And could it only be Build 825?
It's in 822 ... I've not long (an hour or so) found the hidden option and I'd changed that from -1 to -2, thinking that might change my channel 6 to channel four. It appeared not to do so, but might be implicated in the later change 6->4. I'm still puzzled why I see(saw) channel 6 when you see channel 3.
I've wondered if the -1 is for interpreting the channel 0..15 versus channel 1..16 conundrum.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11 BIAB2025 Audiophile, a bunch of other software. Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts .
A lot of confusion occurs in this area because folks get tracks and channels mixed up.
There are defualt track numbers as shown in the mixer counting from the top Bass Piano Drums Guitar Strings Melody Soloist Thru Audio Followed by the 16 utility tracks See pic 1
Then there are the midi channel numbers that these tracks are sent to (if the track has midi data) this is the channel that is used on your midi device /synth And the voice patch (instrument) data for that track. You can see this info under: options/preferences/channels See pic 2
So Mike, did you look at the Midi .mgu file which the OP uploaded. What is Midi channel number that the Melody track is playing the Trombone patch on?
Dan
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If you have a Korg or Kawai keyboard, and it makes sound, I would think you would be well served by finding a patch map and specifying that keyboard as your MIDI output.
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If you have a Korg or Kawai keyboard, and it makes sound, I would think you would be well served by finding a patch map and specifying that keyboard as your MIDI output.
Understood. It functions very well and I have the patch maps for both. The Kawai sounds are pretty good.
What doesn't work well at present is trying to build a song at the Kawai. There I'm sitting on a piano stool, with both screen and computer keyboard badly placed for comfort/ergonomics. That's compounded further by my main music PC being AVLinux-based. I tend to build tracks on the PC in my home office/lab, which is also normally Linux, but which I can reboot into Windows for BIAB. Comfortable chair, large screens, etc., but no Kawai, just a little Launchkey25.
Now that you've set me thinking about that, it does occur to me that it may be feasible to circumvent that with RTP-MIDI and audio streaming. Another possibility is a good external and portable MIDI player that I can easily move between rooms.
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I can confirm that the melody track ch no is 4 and that the patch is 58 trombone
all plays fine here build 822 Mike
Thank you Mike. I appreciate the confirmation. And yet there it is playing on ch 3 in my VSTSynthfont player. The switch-a-roo must be happening in the soft synth. I really have to learn to just let it play and not worry about how it is playing...
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I haven't yet actually found out what was wrong and what resolved the problem.
Is it worth me spending time trying to repeat steps and find what was the resolution?
Gordon.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11 BIAB2025 Audiophile, a bunch of other software. Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts .
One thing that's common between this time and before is that I set the song up from an imported file; MIDI this time, I can't remembere whether the previous song started as MIDI or XML.
Again I've used the Melody step editor to check for embedded patch changes and there are none. Again I've tried changing patches via the mixer, removing the patch, restoring the patch, no change.
Something that did work was using Harmony to the Melody track. Then the sound changed to the Harmony instrument, though removing Harmony reverts to always playing piano (the instrument from the MIDI file ... may be significant, mnay be coincidence).
For this song, the Harmony will do just fine, so problem circumvented, but I've still spent a couple of hours trying to get BIAB to play the instrument it says on the mixer :-(
Oh, yes, if I import the track into RealBand, it plays the instrument I'd expected.
I have a memory that the following may have implicated in something ... BIAB is saving this as an .MGX file, not a MGU. The manual just says it's an aide memoir that it was made from imported MIDI. The Melody track contains only notes.
Last edited by Gordon Scott; 07/14/2111:52 AM.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11 BIAB2025 Audiophile, a bunch of other software. Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts .
Hmm, I have another song doing similar, though this is from a friend, not generated by me, and in this song it's in the fourth channel (guitar 1 in this song), where despite the instrument set to Acoustic guitar it plays a vibraphone for the first four bars.
Again I see no CC in either the Melody channel or the Giutar 1 channel.
I'm now on 835.
I tried to add the song to this post, either as an .MGU or as a .zip of same, but the file manager says "encountered a problem" and does not list either file format as acceptable.
Last edited by Gordon Scott; 07/14/2111:51 AM.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11 BIAB2025 Audiophile, a bunch of other software. Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts .
If you receive an error message that says a type of file is unacceptable then try appending ".txt" to the filename.
For example "My_Song.MGU" would be appended as "My_Song.MGU.txt".
Sigh. OK, that seems to have allowed it. This _should_ be a trivial bug on the website.
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