I have switched back to 2020 from 2021 while PG sorts out all the bugs in 2021. I simply installed 2020 over the top of 2021 in C/bb. I would like to be able to switch between years to keep track of how 2021 is being sorted out. What’s the best way to re-install 2021 on the same hard drive so that I can switch between years? Do I have to have different directories for bb.exe the styles etc. Am I right in assuming that the 2021 styles and RTs will not work with the 2020.
Interesting. EDIT: Never mind; the ideas in the posts below are better.
I think many might actually work, although there is the published requirement. You can let us know. They may not show up in any index.
I haven’t done this but I believe all you need to do is run the latest update of 2020 over 2021, and ignore any warning that should occur. Then to convert back to 2021 you would need to run the BIAB/RealBand first installer you got in early December, and then run the latest 2021 build.
I think ... keep good backups.
Last edited by Matt Finley; 03/26/2111:49 AM.
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I think it will work if you install in two different folders, e.g. install 2020 in a folder named: '\bb_2020\' and install 2021 in the normal '\bb\' folder.
Then in the \bb_2020\ version set the RealTracks and RealDrums to share the folders from the 2021 version. This is done from Options > Preferences > RealDrums > Custom Drums Folder. Do the same for RealTracks.
I believe that you are correct in your assumption that the 2021 styles and RTs will not work with the 2020.
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Another thought: After you install in the '\bb_2020\' folder and set the Preferences for the Drums and RealTracks locations to point to the 2021 folders, you can delete the duplicate set to save space. These would be:
\bb_2020\RealTracks\ and \bb_2020\Drums\
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I have switched back to 2020 from 2021 while PG sorts out all the bugs in 2021. I simply installed 2020 over the top of 2021 in C/bb. I would like to be able to switch between years to keep track of how 2021 is being sorted out. What’s the best way to re-install 2021 on the same hard drive so that I can switch between years? Do I have to have different directories for bb.exe the styles etc. Am I right in assuming that the 2021 styles and RTs will not work with the 2020.
Thanks Tony
Yep, different directories are a must. You can point older BB's at the newer one's Realtracks and Drums folders and it will use the ones that are compatible.
I'd install the 2020 version fully, duplicate the folder minus Realtracks and Drums to a new BB folder, then install 2021 over the original 2020 folder. I've done this on my machine for testing purposes, and I have separate folders for 2014 thru 2021.
Not sure if it is an option, but I use separate drives as opposed to folders, so running any version of BiaB/RB/PT is pretty easy. I still use *:\bb for the folder, it just launches from a different drive so no worries.
Example, run the application from C:\bb, E:\bb, or F:\bb and they may all point to the E:\bb styles and Realtracks (latest), yet run their own version(s).
This is easier yet if you have previous years external PGMusic drives.
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If you install BB21 and just use the BB20 exe it all seems to work. bbw64-734.zip put them in the bb\ folder bbw64-734.exe bbw-734.exe and create some shortcuts.
This is an excellent idea Pipeline! So if I'm understanding what you're saying, if I take your zip file and put it into BB21, I could click on bbw64-734 and it would run BIAB 2020. Is this right?
With all the problems we're seeing with 2021 and the workflow issues I mentioned in the beta forum, I think I'm going to have to go this route to get back to making music and get away from trying to figure out workarounds for 2021.
Does this method confirm or presume that the other executables in the BiaB and related folders do not change, and only programs bbw64.exe (and/or bbw.exe) are modified in the 2021 version?
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I think it will work if you install in two different folders, e.g. install 2020 in a folder named: '\bb_2020\' and install 2021 in the normal '\bb\' folder.
Then in the \bb_2020\ version set the RealTracks and RealDrums to share the folders from the 2021 version. This is done from Options > Preferences > RealDrums > Custom Drums Folder. Do the same for RealTracks.
I believe that you are correct in your assumption that the 2021 styles and RTs will not work with the 2020.
Thanks, that seemed to work OK. My workflow was…..
Left 2021 in C/bb Installed just my 2020 Pluspack exe file in C/bb2020 without any RT’s or style paks that came with my 2020 purchase. Installed the last 2020 upgrade. Created a BIAB 2020 icon on the desktop. Set the 2020 preferences to point to the 2021 RD and RT folders Copied the whole Styles folder from C/bb to C/bb2020 All my styles are found when running 2020 but not the 2021 RTs even though they are in the same folder that 2020 is pointed to.
Does this method confirm or presume that the other executables in the BiaB and related folders do not change, and only programs bbw64.exe (and/or bbw.exe) are modified in the 2021 version?
This presumes that the only thing changed is the bbw exe. It is not the only thing that changed though, there are at least 800 other files updated, which may not work correctly or at all with the 2020 executable. The separate folder approach is better.
Originally Posted By: Pipeline
Originally Posted By: jcland
And am I to assume that doing this will not mess up any activation tickets?
Is there a way to backup those tickets just in case something goes wrong?
All your tickets from previous version should be in C:\Users\Public\Ticket
This should not mess up activation tickets. Backing up and restoring should work, depending on circumstances.
Thanks for that clarification, Simon. Appreciated.
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The Tickets folder shows what you have activated, you don't have to "mess" with them, if you registered 2020 and did not deactivate it the 2020 is still activated. If the 2020 is in another folder then it will be reading the 2020 RT list default.sol so that's what you'll get.
Not sure if it is an option, but I use separate drives as opposed to folders, so running any version of BiaB/RB/PT is pretty easy. I still use *:\bb for the folder, it just launches from a different drive so no worries.
Yes, me too. 2020 (724) is on a Win7 setup drive and works like qa charm. 2021 (latest update FWIW) is on my Win10 drive. I create in 2021 but if there are ANY shots or holds in the SGU I HAVE to then run it in 2020 until the hideous issues with horrible S&Hs are fixed - which doesnt seem to be any time soon. That problem has only occurred since 2021 came out. I have to accept the fact that any new 2021 RTs etc will not work in 2020 so am careful about choice. Got me wondering just what DID I pay for in December as I'm still using 2020 in real terms to get my WAV tracks to DAW. Bests Ian
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