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Greetings from lowly beginner #653119 04/25/21 12:31 PM Beginners Forum
Joined: Apr 2021 Posts: 2 T TomR OP Newbie
OP TomR Newbie T Joined: Apr 2021 Posts: 2	I had Power Tracks Pro back in the 90's, and once I'd learned a few things, it became my go-to notebook and synth sequencer/recorder. This was my first digital music application, and I was pretty well thrilled with it at the time. The versions I used were back 20 years ago or so, and I'm wondering what I'll have to do to get back in the groove with today's PTP. My latest computer doesn't seem to have audio inputs like my old desktops did, and I've been looking over the threads and seen that an interface may be required, for example. Also, I thought the features were pretty cool; you could use a mode called piano roll to click, drop and drag notes, and modifying individual notes in duration and other dynamic parameters was easy. You could switch screens and both see and print your tracks in musical notation. It had a built in mixer, and I don't remember how many tracks were available. Some basic effects were available, and as I recall, there was a bundle of instruments and synth sounds included. I bought a software product at the same time called Virtual Sound Canvas (at least that's what I think it was called), which offered better sounding instruments and more of them. Eventually I switched to a Korg X5DR synth but continued to use it with Power Tracks Pro. Sorry, this is getting a bit long. Mainly I'm asking if the current product can do all the things my old versions could do, and do it simply as I'm not so hot as a computer guy. Any advice for starting up a hobby project would be deeply appreciated. Tom

Re: Greetings from lowly beginner TomR #653122 04/25/21 12:57 PM Beginners Forum
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,972 Wauconda DrDan Veteran
DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,972 Wauconda	Start here PowerTracks Pro Forum Good Luck Retired to Make Music - No Plan B My SoundCloud Preview My Current Project .

Re: Greetings from lowly beginner DrDan #653129 04/25/21 01:08 PM Beginners Forum
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 24,755 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 24,755 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted By: MusicStudent Start here PowerTracks Pro Forum Good Luck That is good advice if you want to stay with PTP. However things have really changed in 20 years so I suggest that you also look at Band-in-a-Box and RealBand. RealBand is a huge improvement in PTP IMHO. I am assuming that you are on a PC as Mac computers do not have RealBand. Dad, how will I know when I've become an adult. When your day is ruined because they rearranged the grocery store. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Greetings from lowly beginner TomR #653177 04/25/21 11:23 PM Beginners Forum
Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,147 Essex England Bob Calver Veteran
Bob Calver Veteran Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,147 Essex England	I upgraded to BIAB after 12 years with BIAB 2008. The learning curve is quite steep with BIAB, but you will get RealBand and you'll recognise the RealBand GUI as PT on steroids. The biggest change in both programs is RealTracks which are amazing. However, if you want to just upgrade to the latest version of PowerTracks things will be quite straightforward. The synth you mention - Roland VSC (virtual sound canvas) is well past its sell by date but you can get its successor the Edirol Hypercanvas in its 64 bit version totally free (by the name of TTS-1) if you download Cakewalk by Bandlab - see Peter Gannon's 'no brainer' post in the BIAB forum) If you knew PT of old, PT 2021 won't be too much of a leap and it does everything you remember and more. If you still have your old PT - or at least registered it when you bought it - you qualify for the upgrade pricing. PT is absurdly cheap even at the full price for what you get. as for interfaces you have a wide choice. i use a behringer which is quite cheap but does everything i need perfectly - long winded link below https://www.amazon.co.uk/Behringer-U-PHO...;th=1&psc=1 and if you have any problems the PT Forum is full of friendly people waiting to help. go for it! Last edited by Bob Calver; 04/26/21 07:25 AM.

Re: Greetings from lowly beginner TomR #653237 04/26/21 07:37 AM Beginners Forum
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,879 Middlesex, NC Guitarhacker Veteran
Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,879 Middlesex, NC	Yep.... I never used PTP but I can assure you, you are in for a big, pleasant, surprise in what PG has been doing over the past 20 years. You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

Re: Greetings from lowly beginner TomR #653272 04/26/21 11:25 AM Beginners Forum
Joined: May 2000 Posts: 22,624 Mi., USA rharv Veteran
rharv Veteran Joined: May 2000 Posts: 22,624 Mi., USA	FWIW I have kept using PTP through the years as well as BiaB and RB. One location we record at, the guy there likes PT since about 2007 or so, and has just kept using it. The amazing part is his old version just kept working through all the new computers and OS he has bought over the years. From W98 thru W10. I am talking to him now about updating it so he can have the new 64 bit version. I think his last update was PT12 or so It feels so weird when I go over there and sit down in front of his old version. Things have moved around for more efficient workflow since then, so it seems clunky to me now. Once he sees the new version and plays with it for half an hour he'll be right back at home with it. There is lots of new stuff, but the old stuff still works. As mentioned above, if you really want the easy route to making music quick, BiaB is the way to go. You can have a band play the song from start to finish using real recorded musicians and get all kinds of variations. If you go that route, they do throw in Realband, which is basically PTP with the ability to generate these tracks, which means you don't have to actually play everything in (or enter it by hand). It's a bit more $$ though, but from what I understand they don't have to honor the 30 day moneyback guarantee very often. It does what it says. Take a little time and look at the videos for all three products. Then you'll be a little better prepared to decide. I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome Make your sound your own!

Re: Greetings from lowly beginner TomR #653346 04/26/21 11:37 PM Beginners Forum
Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,147 Essex England Bob Calver Veteran
Bob Calver Veteran Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,147 Essex England	Just a bit of advice. Just about everyone that buys BIAB these days goes for the Ultrapak which includes all the RealTracks and styles (except for Extra Styles discs and other add on packs like the Loops with styles discs. PG do easy terms to take the sting out of the initial investment. The pro pak is a the basic program but you'll rapidly get frustrated with all the stuff that's missing. The creative avenues BIAB Ultrapak opens are literally endless and you'll find that RealTracks from genres you'd never think of using can be very useful. But a simple update to PT2021 might be all you want.

Re: Greetings from lowly beginner TomR #653457 04/27/21 01:28 PM Beginners Forum
Joined: Apr 2021 Posts: 2 T TomR OP Newbie
OP TomR Newbie T Joined: Apr 2021 Posts: 2	Thank you, your replies have been both enlightening and encouraging. I was well satisfied with PTP versions I used, cartoonish as they must be by today's standards. I needed a sequencer, and the sounds were good enough, for the time. The price was right too; I recall I got my first Power Tracks from a bargain bin at a local computer show (remember them?) for around $10.00. Then I bought subsequent versions through PG Music. I think it was possible to mix in live instrument/voice recording, but never got around to trying it. Can it do that? That's my story and I'm stuck with it. I felt that prior experience would give me a boost in learning the new version. For the price, I'll give it a try. Thanks again. Tom

Re: Greetings from lowly beginner TomR #653462 04/27/21 01:54 PM Beginners Forum
Joined: Jan 2020 Posts: 3,647 J justanoldmuso Veteran
justanoldmuso Veteran J Joined: Jan 2020 Posts: 3,647	TomR. i started on ptpro yonks ago in the dinasouer age lol. before the wheel lol. as you have already a previous version from pg its only 29 bucks to upgrade. a steal imho for 48 traks. you can record anything you want useing it. vocs/instruments/midi/ANYTHING. to put things in perspective i once created songs in big studios yonks ago where 24 trak 2 inch recorders were around 60,000 buks if i remember originally. ive forgotten. only caution i would make is GET A GOOD usb AUDIO INTERFACE. heres a list of them that pg users have posted that work well with pg products. https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=635707#Post635707 seriously imho ptpro is a steal. best oldmuso ps if you need a pc for cheap that will blow the doors off and last you yonks. lol. and run ptpro like a bunny rabbit on steroids. stuff ssd's into this type of pc configuration. https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/hp-z440-workstation-xeon-e5-1620v3-3-5ghz-4-cores-8gb-ddr4-256gb-ssd-nvs-510-2gb-quad-monitor-support-win10-pro-refurbished/14666686 OR if your rich (i'm not) check these custom built for recording studios pc's out. oh to dream lol. https://pcaudiolabs.com/rok-box-daw-pro-...ASAAEgL7SPD_BwE once again these are powerhouses. i gotta win the lottery. Last edited by justanoldmuso; 04/27/21 02:06 PM. my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)

Re: Greetings from lowly beginner TomR #653465 04/27/21 02:04 PM Beginners Forum
Joined: May 2000 Posts: 22,624 Mi., USA rharv Veteran
rharv Veteran Joined: May 2000 Posts: 22,624 Mi., USA	Originally Posted By: TomR .. I was well satisfied with PTP versions I used, cartoonish as they must be by today's standards. I needed a sequencer, and the sounds were good enough, for the time. The price was right too; I recall I got my first Power Tracks from a bargain bin at a local computer show (remember them?) for around $10.00. Then I bought subsequent versions through PG Music. I think it was possible to mix in live instrument/voice recording, but never got around to trying it. Can it do that? .. Thanks again. Tom Yes you can use PTP to mix in live instrument/voice recordings Just note, your 'MIDI' sounds will have changed. It's really not a big deal, the fixes are there, just depends on how you want to (or can) improve those. The old (free) Roland VSC synth is no longer available, but many other options exist. Well worth the cost to dive back in. I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome Make your sound your own!

Re: Greetings from lowly beginner TomR #653592 04/28/21 10:51 AM Beginners Forum
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,879 Middlesex, NC Guitarhacker Veteran
Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,879 Middlesex, NC	TomR.... Cakewalk Sonar is now totally free.... the big version that used to cost hundreds is free.... Bandlab is giving it away and has been for a number of years now. That's a deal you can not beat. You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

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