What puzzle me, is why all is well with Ver 2020, and not with 2021.
Puzzling indeed. I believe you are the first to report this problem. Although, your system has a couple of oddities, win7 and firewire, like you say 2020 had no issues with these. Have you tried "run as administrator"? Or is that even a thing in Win7? Have you tried to remove the Firewire and just run with windows audio out? Have you tried the return to factory settings?
These are pretty standard actions when things are going wrong.
Have you tried "run as administrator"? Or is that even a thing in Win7?
Win 7 definitely supported 'Run as administrator'
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OK. I'll run BIAB for a few more days - just to make sure all is well, and then reinstall 2021 and see. Maybe there was some issues during the update. After all 2020 is a clean install after removing BIAB. This topic was just to make sure no one else is facing this issue.
PS - thinking of get a new Focusrite 4i4. Anyone has experience with it?
We haven't seen the issues you explained that you are experiencing in the 2021 versions, so this may indicate a local incompatibility issue. Do keep us informed though.
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Goldy. you never got back to me regarding my suggestion up thread. so i'll repost it..as follows. --------------------------------------------------- you say that all is good with bb 2020. thus i suggest that you do the following. 1. go into your bb2020 audio and midi driver settings. and write down those settings. 2. NOW go into your bb 2021 audio and midi driver settings. write down the settings once again. DO YOU SEE ANY DISCREPENCIES BETWEEN THE TWO SETS OF SETTINGS ? ------------------------------------------------------ frankly i wouldnt give up on the rme. its good gear. (i suspect a settings difference between bb 20 and bb 21 is your problem .) but if you decide to ; here is a thread i started on pg where many pg users have posted their audio interfaces that work well with pg products. https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=635707#Post635707 i would recommend you rent firstly any audio interface to see its compatibility. thats what i do before buying.
if you feel daring there are also usb mixers you can try like the allen n heath zed series or the soundcraft notepad series etc and others. best oldmuso
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
Sorry. I thought I did. Right now it's impossible, since I don't have 2021 any more (I had to remove it in order to install 2020). I'm planing trying to upgrade again to 2021, and will take a snapshot of the audio and midi driver settings befor, so we can compare. Technically, there shouldn't any different, since upgrading shouldn't change the audio and midi driver settings.
Goldy. re you said "technically etc etc ". i'd like a dollar lol for all the times i worked on big computer iron/systems ,and often that did not happen. when it comes to tech "assume nothing" lol. frankly i ditched the tech career cos i got fed up with CEO's // users with no tech background insisting my tech teams do the impossible in 3 months and do system features that any good tech team knew would take 3 years lol.
thus i'm a staunch long time pg supporter because i know tech isnt easy. even though sometimes i take out my issues in the wishlist.lol. ie features i would like. goldy ive lost count of how many songs ive done useing pg products over the years. often it comes down to a silly setting i didnt pay attention to. lol. most times my error.
if settings between 20 bb and 21 bb DO MATCH. in SUMMARY ensure bb21 settings/preferences match bb20. then the only other idea i suggest is checking the following. ..settings in win devices recording and playback are 44.1/16 ..settings in the rme control panel are the same 44.1/16 and thus match bb 21 44.1/16 settings.
best oldmuso
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 05/20/2103:10 AM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
We haven't seen the issues you explained that you are experiencing in the 2021 versions, so this may indicate a local incompatibility issue. Do keep us informed though.
I agree with Videotrack on both counts here - I've got a Focusrite 2i2 mk3 on my desk here, and have had nary a hiccup with it. None of us here in tech support have seen your issues with multiple processes either, that is definitely a new one on us. Got another computer you can try 2021 on, or can you remove the Fireface and see if BB works properly when using your internal sound?
Last edited by Simon - PG Music; 05/20/2111:18 AM.
Goldy/Acidbent. pg user david snyder has posted a song done with bb21 in the user showcase. so obviously users ARE getting songs done with bb21. so maybe its not a bug in bb21. but something in your settings//prefs.
the idea of trying alternate computers//sound devices is a good one. i assume also you have optimised your systems for music work. (lots of guides on the net/you tube. just google.)
Acidbent. i have a question for you re realband (rb). how many traks is reported in rb by the rb feature in the menus "test audio performance" ? also please post a pic of your rb audio and midi drivers.
best oldmuso.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
My point is, since it's the same computer with the same sound card and the same definition, why, and what is the cause and what is the different between BIAB 2020 and 2021, that it's working great, without any problem with one version and not with the other.
Let's at least not rule out the possibility, that there is something that has been changed in 2021.
Goldy. i'm not disagreeing. just pointing out that other users are happily doing songs with bb21 now AND pg techs cant replicate the problem. as your aware being a tech yourself; there are loads of reasons why a system or set of code might not be working as expected. in my life ive seen the very best of techs miss something and be tearing their hair out why something works for one set of users but not another.
how bout this, cos its a process of elimination of causes. please post 3 pics. 1. a pic of your bb 2020 audio and midi driver settings//prefs. 2. a pic of your bb 2021 audio and midi driver settings//prefs. 3. a pic of your rme control panel settings.
just trying to help. best. oldmuso
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
I was still doing songs with 2021 (After all it's my favorite Music software), I was just pointing out some strange behaviors in my computer. after all, we are all community here for helping each other and make BIAB even better.
Now,could you help me and pointing out where can I upload pictures? I would like to upload snapshots of my configuration.
Goldy. and now please post bb2021 settings//prefs for comparison. please also post pics of your MIDI DRIVER settings//prefs for both bb2020 and bb2021. best oldmuso
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 05/21/2102:04 AM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
Goldy, is it possible that your BiaB2021 DL, USB, or HD is corrupted? Or possibly being corrupted by your Anti-virus? Have you tried DLing the BiaB exe file then installing it after you disable your Anti-virus?
Also is there anything running in the background as you use BiaB? I know this is a real long shot but maybe something running in the background does not affect 2020 but does 2021?
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