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Since I do a lot of work with headphones I use Waves' Abbey Road Studio 3 with both my DAW (REAPER) and BIAB. I routinely put the Abbey Road Studio 3 plugin in my BIAB Master track (along with PG Reverb and Waves' SoundShifter Pitch). The issue is that the next time I open the BIAB project Abbey Road Studio 3 is missing from the Master track; the other plugins are present, but not Abbey Road Studio 3, which means I need to add it to the Master track again. BIAB displays no error. Any idea why the Waves' Abbey Road Studio 3 plugin is not retained after closing a BIAB project? Thanks.
Windows 10 Home v2004
MOTU M2 USB Audio Interface firmware v1.02
MOTU M Series ASIO Driver v4.0.8.4479
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the other plugins are present Are the other plugins also on the Master track?
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the other plugins are present Are the other plugins also on the Master track? Yes, usually PG Reverb (first, moving left to right), and sometimes Waves' SoundShifter Pitch. Master Track plugins in order: PG Reverb, Waves' SoundShifter Pitch, Abbey Road Studio 3. Thanks.
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OK, I will try to reproduce the issue.
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I tried this exact combo on the Master track, and saved/loaded the song: PG Reverb, Waves' SoundShifter Pitch, Abbey Road Studio 3. But I cannot reproduce the problem. Perhaps you could email the problematic song file to support@pgmusic.com (attention Blake). Also, you could try loading the example song file that I saved: https://www.dropbox.com/s/350uizp5gpnlfm2/Waves%20Plugin%20Test.zip?dl=1
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Thank you for your response and testing Blake. Much appreciated! I downloaded and opened your file and sent a copy of one of my files to your support e-mail for your examination.
When I opened your file it automatically opened PG Reverb and Waves SoundShifter Pitch, but it did not load Waves Abbey Road Studio 3. This is the same behavior I experience with my own BIAB projects.
I suspect this issue may be related to a plugin scanning problem I've reported here before: When I ask BIAB to scan for plugins, it spends several minutes on the Waves shell VSTs, e.g, WaveShell1-VST 12.7_x64.dll, while repeatedly displaying yellow messages saying something along the lines of, "WaveShell1-VST... does not appear to be a VST2 plugin." Then, once the scan gets past that, BIAB crashes (closes) entirely. Subsequent scanning for plugins causes BIAB to crash immediately until I reboot my PC and restart BIAB.
When I re-open BIAB and try to view the yellow VST errors via Help->Utilities->Display Log Text File of Yellow/Green Messages, there is no record of the yellow messages I saw during the plugins scan.
Last edited by XilburQost; 06/07/21 04:49 AM.
Windows 10 Home v2004
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There was a fix related to Waves plugins being excluded during a scan. It was fixed in the latest build, which has not been released yet, but you might want to try installing since it addresses the problem you are experiencing: https://dl11.pgmusic.com/support/patch/bb2021_win_update_build835b.exeYou should check if the particular plugin (or WaveShell host plugin) is excluded in the Plugins Settings dialog, and un-exclude it.
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Thank you for build 835b. I installed it. Issues:
- You suggested I check my plugin settings for excluded plugins, but I don't see any option in the plugins dialog to do this? There's an option for adding plugins to an exclude list, but none for viewing existing exclusions?
- I searched the BIAB install directory and inside \DX Settings I found plugin_list_Exclude_x64.txt and plugin_list_Exclude.txt, both packed full of excluded plugins, so I renamed these text files and re-ran the scan. Result: BIAB still crashes during the scan, and now with build 835b no Waves plugins are available to BIAB.
I found plugin_scan_log.txt. Here are the contents:
8:03:59 AM : Reading VST plugin file at: C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\sforzando VST_x64.dll
8:03:59 AM : Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\sforzando VST_x64.dll). Reason is unknown. It is possible that this is not a VST 2 plugin, or it is not installed properly.
8:03:59 AM : Reading VST plugin file at: C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\WaveShell1-VST 11.0_x64.dll
8:04:00 AM : Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\WaveShell1-VST 11.0_x64.dll). This is a shell plugin, but no individual plugins were found.
8:04:00 AM : Reading VST plugin file at: C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\WaveShell1-VST 12.6_x64.dll
8:04:04 AM : Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\WaveShell1-VST 12.6_x64.dll). This is a shell plugin, but no individual plugins were found.
8:04:04 AM : Reading VST plugin file at: C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\WaveShell1-VST 12.7_x64.dll
8:04:12 AM : Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\WaveShell1-VST 12.7_x64.dll). This is a shell plugin, but no individual plugins were found.
8:04:12 AM : Reading VST plugin file at: S:\Program Files\VstPlugIns\BIAS Pedal_x64.dll
Is there a way to get my Waves plugins back into BIAB? At least some Waves functionality was better than none. Should I re-install BIAB version 833?
Thanks.
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- You suggested I check my plugin settings for excluded plugins, but I don't see any option in the plugins dialog to do this? There's an option for adding plugins to an exclude list, but none for viewing existing exclusions?
In the Plugins Options dialog, if you click on [Exclude Audio Plugins], any items in the menu that are checked are excluded. You can click on them to un-exclude them.
- I searched the BIAB install directory and inside \DX Settings I found plugin_list_Exclude_x64.txt and plugin_list_Exclude.txt, both packed full of excluded plugins, so I renamed these text files and re-ran the scan. Result: BIAB still crashes during the scan, and now with build 835b no Waves plugins are available to BIAB.
It sounds like the original exclude list (the one you renamed) is preventing a crash during plugin scans. If so, you should recover this file before doing another scan. Do this before launching Band-in-a-Box. Then, go to the Plugins Options dialog and look for the specific plugin that you want to un-exclude.
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It sounds like the original exclude list (the one you renamed) is preventing a crash during plugin scans. If so, you should recover this file before doing another scan. Do this before launching Band-in-a-Box. Then, go to the Plugins Options dialog and look for the specific plugin that you want to un-exclude. I restored the exclusion files and went to the plugin settings and un-excluded any Waves plugins (somewhat cumbersome task because the dialog closes each time I exclude an individual plugin; there are probably over 100 plugins on the lists, including about 20 instances of PG Vocal Remover, for some reason). Below are the scan results. BIAB crashes when it gets to BIAS Pedal_x64.dll, despite the fact that this plugin is on the exclude list. Still no access to Waves plugins. 12:08:10 PM : Reading VST plugin file at: C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\sforzando VST_x64.dll
12:08:10 PM : Reading VST plugin file at: C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\WaveShell1-VST 11.0_x64.dll
12:08:11 PM : Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\WaveShell1-VST 11.0_x64.dll). This is a shell plugin, but no individual plugins were found.
12:08:11 PM : Reading VST plugin file at: C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\WaveShell1-VST 12.6_x64.dll
12:08:11 PM : Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\WaveShell1-VST 12.6_x64.dll). This is a shell plugin, but no individual plugins were found.
12:08:11 PM : Reading VST plugin file at: C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\WaveShell1-VST 12.7_x64.dll
12:08:13 PM : Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\WaveShell1-VST 12.7_x64.dll). This is a shell plugin, but no individual plugins were found.
12:08:16 PM : Reading VST plugin file at: S:\Program Files\VstPlugIns\BIAS Pedal_x64.dllUPDATE: I added BIAS Pedal_x64.dll to the exclude list again, and this time when I ran the scan I got an access violation error; I e-mailed the report to your attention. Thanks.
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I kept re-running scans and identifying the plugins that were causing BIAB to crash and adding them to the exclude list (the two biggest issues were with DD Delay.dll and BIAS Pedal_x64.dll). Now finally, the scan runs without crashing, but the scan log is full of errors. At least I got Waves Abbey Road Studio 3 back, however, per the OP, BIAB does not retain it after I close a project.
Thank you again for your help.
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12:08:13 PM : Error: Could not connect to plugin (C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\WaveShell1-VST 12.7_x64.dll). This is a shell plugin, but no individual plugins were found.
Note that this does not actually indicate an error, it just means there were no new Waves plugins scanned & added. If you installed some new plugins using the Waves Central application, then there would be new Waves plugins to be added during the scan. You should take a look at the file that contains the successfully added plugins: \DX Settings\plugin_list_Audio_x64.txt The Abbey Road Studio 3 plugin should be listed in there with the ID NARS. TYPE=VST;NAME=Waves: Abbey Road Studio 3 Stereo;ID=NARS;SHELLID=NARS;PATH=C:\Program Files\VstPlugins\WaveShell1-VST 12.7_x64.dllNote the actual file location. For me it is on my C drive, but perhaps yours is on a different drive?
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You should take a look at the file that contains the successfully added plugins:
\DX Settings\plugin_list_Audio_x64.txt
The Abbey Road Studio 3 plugin should be listed in there with the ID NARS.
TYPE=VST;NAME=Waves: Abbey Road Studio 3 Stereo;ID=NARS;SHELLID=NARS;PATH=C:\Program Files\VstPlugins\WaveShell1-VST 12.7_x64.dll
Note the actual file location. For me it is on my C drive, but perhaps yours is on a different drive? Here are my Abbey Road entries in plugin_list_Audio_x64.txt. Note there are two sets of entries, one set for WaveShell1-VST 12.6_x64.dll and one set for WaveShell1-VST 12.7_x64.dll. (Earlier this year I contacted Waves regarding the various WaveShell1-VST files on my system, and they told me which ones I could delete and which ones I should keep.) TYPE=VST;NAME=Waves: Abbey Road Studio 3 5.1/Stereo;ID=NARE;SHELLID=NARE;PATH=C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\WaveShell1-VST 12.6_x64.dll TYPE=VST;NAME=Waves: Abbey Road Studio 3 7.1/Stereo;ID=NARG;SHELLID=NARG;PATH=C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\WaveShell1-VST 12.6_x64.dll TYPE=VST;NAME=Waves: Abbey Road Studio 3 Stereo;ID=NARS;SHELLID=NARS;PATH=C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\WaveShell1-VST 12.6_x64.dll TYPE=VST;NAME=Waves: Abbey Road Studio 3 5.1/Stereo;ID=NARE;SHELLID=NARE;PATH=C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\WaveShell1-VST 12.7_x64.dll TYPE=VST;NAME=Waves: Abbey Road Studio 3 7.1/Stereo;ID=NARG;SHELLID=NARG;PATH=C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\WaveShell1-VST 12.7_x64.dll TYPE=VST;NAME=Waves: Abbey Road Studio 3 Stereo;ID=NARS;SHELLID=NARS;PATH=C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\WaveShell1-VST 12.7_x64.dll I also have two sets of Abbey Road plugins when I load from BIAB. Only the first entry of each set will load, so the first Waves Abbey Road Studio 3 Stereo (highlighted) loads, but not the second (nothing happens when I click on it). 
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For sanity purposes, this is what my mixer looks like when I load your song file:  Interesting. My mixer looks like that when I load that song file except there's no Abbey Road. Since you are able to manually add the Abbey Road plugin to a song, I am curious when exactly does the problem start? For example:
1 - if you go to File > New, then re-load the song file again, is the plugin loaded?
2 - or does the problem only start if you exit Band-in-a-Box, and run it again? (ie the problem starts after starting a new program session) 1 - No, the plugin is not reloaded. Nothing happens when I attempt to load any of those three TGS files.
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I also have two sets of Abbey Road plugins when I load from BIAB. Only the first entry of each set will load, so the first Waves Abbey Road Studio 3 Stereo (highlighted) loads, but not the second (nothing happens when I click on it).
I think this explains what is happening. When you load a song file or a TGS file, Band-in-a-Box is looking for the first plugin that has a unique ID. In this case that is NARS. Since you have duplicates listed, it tries to load the first one which happens to be one of the non-functioning plugins. I am guessing that these are the non-functioning plugins because they are version 12.6: TYPE=VST;NAME=Waves: Abbey Road Studio 3 5.1/Stereo;ID=NARE;SHELLID=NARE;PATH=C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\WaveShell1-VST 12.6_x64.dll
TYPE=VST;NAME=Waves: Abbey Road Studio 3 7.1/Stereo;ID=NARG;SHELLID=NARG;PATH=C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\WaveShell1-VST 12.6_x64.dll
TYPE=VST;NAME=Waves: Abbey Road Studio 3 Stereo;ID=NARS;SHELLID=NARS;PATH=C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\WaveShell1-VST 12.6_x64.dllOr it could be the 12.7 plugins, but that is less likely: TYPE=VST;NAME=Waves: Abbey Road Studio 3 5.1/Stereo;ID=NARE;SHELLID=NARE;PATH=C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\WaveShell1-VST 12.7_x64.dll
TYPE=VST;NAME=Waves: Abbey Road Studio 3 7.1/Stereo;ID=NARG;SHELLID=NARG;PATH=C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\WaveShell1-VST 12.7_x64.dll
TYPE=VST;NAME=Waves: Abbey Road Studio 3 Stereo;ID=NARS;SHELLID=NARS;PATH=C:\Program Files\vstPlugins\WaveShell1-VST 12.7_x64.dllYou should: 1. close Band-in-a-Box 2. copy (or cut so they are deleted) the version 12.6 lines from plugin_list_Audio_x64.txt3. paste those into plugin_list_Exclude_x64.txt4. save both .txt files 5. launch Band-in-a-Box and try loading your song file The plugin selector dialog should no longer show 2 versions of the Abbey Road Studio plugin. The song should load correctly as well - if not, then perhaps it is the 12.7 versions that are problematic and you should repeat the steps above, but by cutting & pasting the version 12.7 lines into the exclude list and putting the 12.6 versions back into plugin_list_Audio_x64.txt.
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You should:
1. close Band-in-a-Box
2. copy (or cut so they are deleted) the version 12.6 lines from plugin_list_Audio_x64.txt
3. paste those into plugin_list_Exclude_x64.txt
4. save both .txt files
5. launch Band-in-a-Box and try loading your song file Yay, hey hey! That works! The 12.6 files were the problem. Thank you SO much!  This morning I opened Waves Central to see if there was anything to do there, but nothing regarding different versions of Abbey Road. I ran the Repair function (which re-installs all the Waves plugins), but the problem remained. I should also note that REAPER shows two entries each for Abbey Road, so I'll forward this on to Waves' tech folks and see if they have anything to say. Thank you again Blake for helping me to resolve this.
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Great!
I think we will add a way of seeing the differences between duplicates in the plugin selector dialog, or at least a way of seeing the file paths for them.
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Our new rock & pop RealTracks bring a powerful mix of requested favorites, fresh genres, and modern chart-inspired styles! We have more of our popular “Producer Layered Acoustic Guitars (15)” featuring Band-in-a-Box favorite Brent Mason. We’ve continued our much-requested disco styles (10), and added new Celtic guitar (5) with a more basic, accessible approach than our previous Drop-D or DADGAD offerings. There are also highly requested yacht rock styles (17), inspired by the smooth, polished soft-rock sound of the late ’70s and early ’80s — laid-back grooves, silky electric pianos, warm textures, elegant harmonic movement, and pristine production aesthetics. Fans of heavier styles will love our new glam metal (13), capturing the flashy, high-energy sound of ’80s arena-ready guitar rock. We also have a set of rootsy modern-folk rock (18), with a warm, organic sound combining contemporary folk textures and driving acoustic strumming. And we’ve added lots of new modern pop styles (16) — the kinds of sounds you’re hearing on the radio today, featuring exciting new drums, synths, and cutting-edge RealTracks arrangements.
Country, & Americana (Sets 483–488):
Our new country & Americana RealTracks deliver a rich collection of acoustic, electric, and roots-inspired styles! We have new country pop (9) with legendary guitarist Brent Mason. There is also a potpourri (14) of bouzouki, guitars, banjo, and more, perfect for adding texture and character to contemporary acoustic arrangements. We’ve added funky country guitar (5) with PG favorite Brent Mason, along with classic pedal steel styles (5) featuring steel great Doug Jernigan. There are more country songwriter styles (8) that provide intimate, rootsy foundations for storytelling and modern Americana writing. Finally, we have “background soloing” acoustic guitar (12) with Brent Mason — simpler, but still very tasty acoustic lines designed to sit beautifully behind vocals or act as a subtle standalone solo part.
Check out all the 202 new RealTracks (in sets 468-488)!
And, if you are looking for more, the 2026 49-PAK (for $49) includes an impressive collection of 20 bonus RealTracks, featuring exciting and inspiring additions to add to your RealTracks library. You'll get new country-rhythm guitar styles from PG Music favorites Johnny Hiland and Brent Mason, along with modern-pop grooves that capture today’s radio-ready sound! There are also new indie-folk styles with guitar, bass, 6-string bass used as a high-chording instrument, acoustic guitar, and banjo. Plus, dedicated "cymbal fills" RealDrums provide an added layer that work very well with low-key folky styles with other percussion.
The 2026 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2026 49-PAK!
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
With your version 2026 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- iOS Android Band-in-a-Box® App
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
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