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Joanne Cooper created that Facebook group. I am the moderator of the 5,000-strong group called Brazilian Jazz, so I understand and admire her effort.
When I drop in, it seems more than a few want to dispute my answers rather than consider they might learn. I figure this is caused by two possibilities:
1. It’s Facebook, after all, and you can’t always get civility.
2. It’s not the company website (where they Should be) so they feel more comfortable criticizing the company.
Anyway, I’m happier helping here.
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And we're happy having you here Matt!
I've found the same thing with other Facebook groups, whether it's about software, cars, video games, anything - forums tend to be much more civil. Not sure what it is, because on Facebook you're using your real name (in theory) while in a forum like this you can hide behind an alias, so based on that it should be the other way around. Either way, forums tend to inspire some sense of community that Facebook doesn't.
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Thanks Simon. I try.
The thread describing Pat Marr and others from here who have met in person verifies we are our own community.
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Matt.
this is the only forum i'll ever be on.
anyway i'm too busy writing songs.
i used to be on a couple of forums. gave them up cos ..
i like friendly places like this.
i echo simons sentiments. you are a great asset here.
best to you.
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my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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The Facebook groups I have joined in the past I joined for a specific reason. I currently only belong to an Ensoniq group, which has a lot of old company techs in it, and the "Friends of" group belonging to the band I play in. Other than that, the groups are stupid.
I joined a Jeep Renegade group when I bought mine. Every day there were 25 or more people asking the same newbie questions about their car that had they READ the group posts rather than immediately posting would have been answered. And 90% of them were things that are in the owner's manual, so they are just too lazy to read.
Now that being said, I have asked questions in the PG forums that are buried in that huge manual somewhere. It's the guessing how to parse the question that makes me do that. But "How do I turn off m cornering lights" type questions...? RTFM.
I lasted 2 days in the Jeep group. Groups are simply not my thing.
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Every day there were 25 or more people asking the same newbie questions That happens here too but it's a LOT worse on Facebook. Younger people today want instant gratification and never want to spend time researching anything.
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The thing here is that a lot of users want to do one specific thing that maybe 1 out of 100 users know how to do. And it's hard to search threads because the boolean nature of searches returns hits that have nothing to do with the topic. If I search for some word that in my mind is the right word (say, pitch bending) you get hits including pitch OR bending, and how many topics can you think of that have "pitch" in them? I'd love it if the search was set up to parse with boolean operators, so "pitch AND bend" would give you only hits with both words rather than one or the other.
Some of the things asked for in that Jeep forum were so stupid they should have been embarrassed asking.
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Hi Matt. Please let me know who the user was…. I want to give him / her a bit of a “be nice” speech.
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Joanne Cooper created that Facebook group. I am the moderator of the 5,000-strong group called Brazilian Jazz, so I understand and admire her effort.
When I drop in, it seems more than a few want to dispute my answers rather than consider they might learn. I figure this is caused by two possibilities:
1. It’s Facebook, after all, and you can’t always get civility.
2. It’s not the company website (where they Should be) so they feel more comfortable criticizing the company.
Anyway, I’m happier helping here. I’m not the sort of person that spends any time on FaceBook but I will say that you Matt would be one of the people I take a great deal of notice of. The thing I really like about these (PG) forums is the number of people that just jump up and offer up their knowledge and experiences. Most of them are really very knowledgeable in many aspects of music and music production. I spend quite a lot of time reading these forums and I recommend newbies do the same. Tony
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I deleted my info and quit Facebook years ago, and life has been better since then.
When I found out the FB robot was reading your posts, reading your private messages, logging your likes/dislikes, and using that info to decide what fraudulent news to feed you to manipulate your opinion and sway a presidential election with lies, I decided I didn't want to be a party to that. Letting them profit off my data supports their anti-American activities, and those are not my personal values.
I know my little BiaB aftermarket business and my band business could profit more with my presence there, but I just can't compromise my personal values.
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I deleted my info and quit Facebook years ago, and life has been better since then.
When I found out the FB robot was reading your posts, reading your private messages, logging your likes/dislikes, and using that info to decide what fraudulent news to feed you to manipulate your opinion and sway a presidential election with lies, I decided I didn't want to be a party to that. Letting them profit off my data supports their anti-American activities, and those are not my personal values.
I know my little BiaB aftermarket business and my band business could profit more with my presence there, but I just can't compromise my personal values.
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Same here! Couldn't agree more! Also a lot less stress in life without trying to impress everyone with where I went on vacation or where I dined at!
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When I found out the FB robot was reading your posts, reading your private messages, logging your likes/dislikes, and using that info to decide what fraudulent news to feed you to manipulate your opinion and sway a presidential election with lies, I decided I didn't want to be a party to that. Letting them profit off my data supports their anti-American activities, and those are not my personal values.
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I never have nor will I ever join FB for the exact same reasons. I am only I will decide what is fake news, not some so called AI.
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I still have a Facebook but it's under a fake name, with a fake picture from this place that generates pics from AI, fake info, security set that nobody can see anything if they are not a friend, and a limit of 20 friends. I am sitting at 18 and they are all people I know in real life. All of them are "unfollowed" so I don't wake up to posts saying "I am on my patio eating a muffin". I get friend requests every week, but since my Facebook visage isn't even a real person, they are obviously from people I don't know (since I don't exist) and I know they just want to collect info.
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I respect anyone's decision to forego Facebook. I have found it very useful to promote my concerts, especially with the demise of newspapers, so I stay with it. It also used to be good keeping track of kids and grandkids, but that is fading.
And I don't post what I eat; truly sorry.
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And I don't post what I eat; truly sorry. I do it often because I like to brag about what a GREAT cook I am!!! I can make a meal out of C batteries and a shower sandal!
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Eddie, I got a charge out of that.
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I love this forum and I don't really do ANY kind of social media at all. I would rather be splashed in battery acid.
That being said, I am troubled when a thread of incivility begins to creep up here from time to time--it does not happen often, but when it does I am jarred.
On occasion, someone will appear out of nowhere and present themselves as the world's top expert, on everything, not to be argued with or debated. I will google such person and come up with no background. Odd.
All in all this is a lovely place, but it doesn't take much blowhard type behavior to really turn me off.
Glad it does not happen often. There are thousands of people here with solid credentials and accolades and therefore rules of etiquette need to stay where they normally are.
When I see something overly pompous here, I have to bite my tongue, but again, I am glad it is not the norm.
I am sure I am not the only one.
Thanks for the post Matt.
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I've both an admin and a moderator on fairly large internet boards. A moderator ranks very high as the planet's most thankless job. So many members will throw out the "free speech" thing when they are called out for breaking the rules ... even when they agreed to them to become a member. I currently am very active in a large Facebook group that focuses on early regional architecture and we both enjoy it immensely. It's fun traveling around documenting, dating and photographing both restored and nearly collapsed old buildings.
The group's rules are very clear and the mods will permanently ban anyone who violates them upon first offense. That group and PG Music's well moderated board are the most civil sites I've been a member of or visited since the net's inception. And from both sites I have learned a tremendous amount and met a lot of great folks. FWIW, old phart rambles, etc., etc.
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Mostly, as has been expressed, I can do without FB. However, for some things, there's just nothing that beats it.
I have mine set up in two parts:
- the first is a "standard" page or "feed" if you like. I have chosen to limit "friends" to only family members, no matter how they're related. Currently, that count stands at 116 (and I had to look it up!). That "home" page is subject to the usual ads and requests which I generally ignore.
- the second part is a "Group" page, again limited only to family members. It is a "Private" group and I am the sole Admin / Moderator. No ads ever appear on this page. Here is the "Announcement" members (currently 132) see when they access the group page:
"Welcome ... to the "new" S****** group site!
I plan this to be a place that's comfortable to just drop by, add a comment if you're so inclined, post news, views, reviews or just "lurk". Upcoming will be some charts, logos, and diagrams of S****** "things". They say that anything you put up on the 'net, you can never get back, and that's what I'm counting on.
... There's info and data that I want my kids and grandkids and all of you, to have access to. And for our future generations. No sense in having it stored away or buried somewhere.
... Welcome aboard, and thanks for your support!!"
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I have posted literally hundreds, perhaps thousands of family related bits of history, pictures, videos, songs and lots of things I find interesting, that I think the family might as well.
Currently, I'm winding down a full year of weekly posts of what I called "Grandparents are great!". Lots of photos of parents with their grandkids, and some of just a bunch of grandkids. We have a large musical family (my Dad was one of 15 kids) so there's no shortage of material, it's just a matter of finding it and getting it put up on the site.
I mention all this merely to show that, if used in this way, FB can be an invaluable ally in saving, storing and disseminating useful and pertinent information. I can't imagine trying to get all this information out to 132 people on a sometimes daily, lately weekly, basis.
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There is a common misunderstanding about free speach.
Free speech has nothing to do with anything but the government. A public, nongovernmental controlled forum has the right to ban any kind of speech the administrators care to ban.
In the USA it means THE GOVERNMENT can not ban you from speaking anything. On the other hand, civil courts can persecute for libel if you are bearing false witness against said neighbor.
That said, this BiaB forum is one of the most friendly and respectful of others forums that I visit. Thank you to my fellow members/friends who keep it that way.
With apologies to Dr Seuss
I don't like Facebook, no I don't
I won't join Facebook, no I won't
Don't like it here
Don't like it there
Don't like it anywhere
I tried Facebook, yes I did
I was invited by my kid
This thing's a spy
I uttered a sigh
And said "Bye-Bye".
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We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: VST3 Plugin Support
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins
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