I have replaced a piano patch in BIAB with another from Kontakt player instruments.
If I load a song (in this case a .MG2) from the practice window and then change the piano track to use a piano from Kontakt player, at first it works normally, I can start and stop the song as many times as I like without any issues. If I save the song, close it and then re-load it, that's when it start to feedback! This feedback is internal. What I mean is, you can see the master meters rise up in volume without any speakers being switched ON.
It doesn't matter if I try to press the stop button... it carries on feedbacking. If I press the space bar, the sound restarts the audio to a new feedback event.
If I continuously keep pressing the space bar very quickly for about 5 seconds, it then stops the feedback and I can then use BIAB, with the same plugin, without any problem. Everything works as normal.
I tried a different instrument, still within Kontakt 6 and I can repeat the issue.
I tried setting the audio to WAS and ASIO and the issue remains.
If I play the instruments within Kontakt (without using BIAB), I have no audio issues.
Using BIAB 2021 Build 835.
Anyone had similar issues? Also, Is there a Panic Button within BIAB?
I have replaced a piano patch in BIAB with another from Kontakt player instruments.
If I load a song (in this case a .MG2) from the practice window and then change the piano track to use a piano from Kontakt player, at first it works normally, I can start and stop the song as many times as I like without any issues. If I save the song, close it and then re-load it, that's when it start to feedback! This feedback is internal. What I mean is, you can see the master meters rise up in volume without any speakers being switched ON.
It doesn't matter if I try to press the stop button... it carries on feedbacking. If I press the space bar, the sound restarts the audio to a new feedback event.
If I continuously keep pressing the space bar very quickly for about 5 seconds, it then stops the feedback and I can then use BIAB, with the same plugin, without any problem. Everything works as normal.
I tried a different instrument, still within Kontakt 6 and I can repeat the issue.
I tried setting the audio to WAS and ASIO and the issue remains.
If I play the instruments within Kontakt (without using BIAB), I have no audio issues.
Using BIAB 2021 Build 835.
Anyone had similar issues? Also, Is there a Panic Button within BIAB?
Thanks.
I have now updated both BIAB 2021to build 838 and RB 2021 build 6 and the problem persists with BIAB. I did try the same procedure in RealBand and there it works just fine, so it must be to to with Bain In A Box.
Before the audio slowly increase to a feedback, there is a sound spike, above 0 bb, then the meters gradually increase in volume, from nothing to overload. The only way to stop this is to quickly keep pressing the spacebar. Then BIAB works fine.
I repeat that I have switched my monitors OFF and no audio is outputted from anywhere when this spike and feedback occurs in either WAS or ASIO.
I have replaced a piano patch in BIAB with another from Kontakt player instruments.
If I load a song (in this case a .MG2) from the practice window and then change the piano track to use a piano from Kontakt player, at first it works normally, I can start and stop the song as many times as I like without any issues. If I save the song, close it and then re-load it, that's when it start to feedback! This feedback is internal. What I mean is, you can see the master meters rise up in volume without any speakers being switched ON.
It doesn't matter if I try to press the stop button... it carries on feedbacking. If I press the space bar, the sound restarts the audio to a new feedback event.
If I continuously keep pressing the space bar very quickly for about 5 seconds, it then stops the feedback and I can then use BIAB, with the same plugin, without any problem. Everything works as normal.
I tried a different instrument, still within Kontakt 6 and I can repeat the issue.
I tried setting the audio to WAS and ASIO and the issue remains.
If I play the instruments within Kontakt (without using BIAB), I have no audio issues.
Using BIAB 2021 Build 835.
Anyone had similar issues? Also, Is there a Panic Button within BIAB?
Thanks.
I have now updated both BIAB 2021to build 838 and RB 2021 build 6 and the problem persists with BIAB. I did try the same procedure in RealBand and there it works just fine, so it must be to to with Bain In A Box.
Before the audio slowly increase to a feedback, there is a sound spike, above 0 bb, then the meters gradually increase in volume, from nothing to overload. The only way to stop this is to quickly keep pressing the spacebar. Then BIAB works fine.
I repeat that I have switched my monitors OFF and no audio is outputted from anywhere when this spike and feedback occurs in either WAS or ASIO.
OK, I saved and opened a couple times with no adverse events to report. This is Kontakt 6 (current build) and BIAB 838 64 bit. Look closer at your routing. And by the way, as you see below, I use MME. For me, ASIO is only used when recording which I don't do in BIAB and WAS has always been problematic.
I have checked the routing and everything are correct.
What is different between Realband and Band in a box's Audio settings, because Kontakt 6 works OK in Realband! The same goes for Reaper. It is just BIAB.
The problem keep happening when Loading a song with the saved plugin settings. If I load any song and then changing a MIDI track so to use a Kontakt instrument, it changes it and play it with no problem. The problem occurs when re-opening\Loading the file. The initial spike is the audio CLIPPING and many times ALL audio within BIAB shuts down, so I need to close BIAB and restart it back again.
My guess. The way an audio signal flows through Band-in-a-Box and RealBand is different.
RealBand audio flows somewhat similar to a DAW which in turn is somewhat similar to an external audio mixer. The audio is routed in such a way that you can hear audio coming into the computer at the same time you can hear audio coming out of the computer. RealBand repeats your incoming audio and mixes the incoming audio with the computer generated audio.
Band-in-a-Box does not have the capability to repeat incoming audio while it is coming into the program. You record audio in Band-in-a-Box and you can not hear what is recorded until the recording is completed.
The difference in how the two programs handle audio means they also handle Kontakt audio output differently.
My guess. The way an audio signal flows through Band-in-a-Box and RealBand is different.
RealBand audio flows somewhat similar to a DAW which in turn is somewhat similar to an external audio mixer. The audio is routed in such a way that you can hear audio coming into the computer at the same time you can hear audio coming out of the computer. RealBand repeats your incoming audio and mixes the incoming audio with the computer generated audio.
Band-in-a-Box does not have the capability to repeat incoming audio while it is coming into the program. You record audio in Band-in-a-Box and you can not hear what is recorded until the recording is completed.
The difference in how the two programs handle audio means they also handle Kontakt audio output differently.
Thanks for your reply. There must be a way for the tech to patch this in BIAB, surely!
I have switched the driver to MME but in this mode the audio momentarily stops, for only a few milliseconds, whenever I click on many sections of BIAB. If I try to adjust the volume on instruments in the mixer, the sound gets interrupted, the same if I click the notation button or click on the chord charts.
Man! BIAB is so frustrating!
Most times, I end up searching for troubleshooting things, rather than practicing. A truly love hate relationship.
biab-user.. lets get to the nitty grittys.. in a tech sense i would never try useing any fancy plug in in biab unless i had a really "beefy" pc with high speed ssd's and lots of ram. i use only low cpu useage plug ins in biab. if i was useing threadrippers with ultra fast ssd's and a excellent audio driver device like RME and getting low RTL different story.
i have questions..as no details of your rig were given. 1. whats your processor ?? and whats its rateing on cpubenchmark.net ? i recommend at least a rateing of 10000 particularly for daw work useing lots of traks and plug ins etc etc... also in rb action>>>>test audio performance how many max traks does rb report ?? (just another clue on your rig.) 2. whats your sound device ?? cos your getting feedback. check you dont have INPUT MONITORING checked somewhere .. eg i think i remember i was getting feedback once useing a fancy schmany sound device with input monitoring set ON. for example you might regularly use IM in whatever regular daw is being used..IF SO turn off IM when useing biab. see if feedback goes away. 3. you say all is fine in rb ..right ? so please post a pic of both your rb settings as well as your biab settings for whatever audio device your useing please. so intelligent comparisons can be made. therein might lie the clue.
as ive said many times before...both biab and rb need (like in reaper and other daws...) performance reports on plug ins as to processor useage . otherwise low power pc's will bog down once plug ins needing lots of processor or ram or disk resources are loaded.
best old..nerdy...muso
ps..dan ..yep you got a i7/7700 a just under 9k rateing on cpu benchmark if i remember.
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 08/04/2101:33 AM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
What happens when you press the Kontakt MIDI Panic button. The “!” Symbol on the top right hand side of Kontakt. Does this stop the “feedback”. What channel are you using. It is very possible to confuse Kontakt by having a patch that allows multiple channels open with a mysterious note set on a channel not actually used. This signal may not be receiving a note off. Pushing the panic button will turn the note off, however, it will recur. Use Kontakt to determine what channels are coming in and set the patch to the required channel.
I’ve had several strange things happen in Kontakt usually fixed by ensuring the channel coming in is what the patch is set to.
Just a thought.
Tony
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I have switched the driver to MME but in this mode the audio momentarily stops, for only a few milliseconds, whenever I click on many sections of BIAB. If I try to adjust the volume on instruments in the mixer, the sound gets interrupted, the same if I click the notation button or click on the chord charts
I can confirm that. A short blink of the audio. I actually did not noticed until you mentioned it. However, when I removed Kontakt, I still was hearing that "blink" when I moved windows around during playing. This is a new observation for me and
I will move this specific item to a new thread as it is not related to the "audio feedback topic".
biab-user.. lets get to the nitty grittys.. in a tech sense i would never try useing any fancy plug in in biab unless i had a really "beefy" pc with high speed ssd's and lots of ram. i use only low cpu useage plug ins in biab. if i was useing threadrippers with ultra fast ssd's and a excellent audio driver device like RME and getting low RTL different story.
i have questions..as no details of your rig were given. 1. whats your processor ?? and whats its rateing on cpubenchmark.net ? i recommend at least a rateing of 10000 particularly for daw work useing lots of traks and plug ins etc etc... also in rb action>>>>test audio performance how many max traks does rb report ?? (just another clue on your rig.) 2. whats your sound device ?? cos your getting feedback. check you dont have INPUT MONITORING checked somewhere .. eg i think i remember i was getting feedback once useing a fancy schmany sound device with input monitoring set ON. for example you might regularly use IM in whatever regular daw is being used..IF SO turn off IM when useing biab. see if feedback goes away. 3. you say all is fine in rb ..right ? so please post a pic of both your rb settings as well as your biab settings for whatever audio device your useing please. so intelligent comparisons can be made. therein might lie the clue.
as ive said many times before...both biab and rb need (like in reaper and other daws...) performance reports on plug ins as to processor useage . otherwise low power pc's will bog down once plug ins needing lots of processor or ram or disk resources are loaded.
best old..nerdy...muso
ps..dan ..yep you got a i7/7700 a just under 9k rateing on cpu benchmark if i remember.
Hi. As already explained, the feedback is internal. No audio monitors and headphones are NOT ON.
There is no Input Monitoring activated anywhere.
The system is an 11th Gen Intel i7, 16GB Ram 1TB SSD.
I actually use this machine to record 16 simultaneous tracks Live in reaper for a Big Band and run a Bass and guitar DI in reaper, applying Helix Native amp and effects and returning the tracks back to the XR18 Mixer. All of this without any problems. The CPU is well under 10% usage. I also mixed over 75 tracks with each having several VST's in each track. Again, no problem in Reaper.
I am confident that the system can handle Audio.
The Audio clipping and feedback happens inside BIAB as Kontakt 6 show the correct metering movements, when BIAB meters show the feedback. When there is audio Spike\Overload, when loading a file with Kontakt plugin, the overload shuts down the audio in BIAB but pressing the spacebar to play the song, the meters in BIAB, show no activity but Kontakt shows the meters action moving as normal, and the arranger show normal bar movements.
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