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I have owned BB for many years and have learned quite a lot. As I wish I could play an instrument but that is not one of the things i have been able to accomplish. but....
BB has allowed me to put into musical expression what goes on in my head,,, to a point.
The dilemma as I see it is my lack of musical ability, is RT"s stop short of us being able to be the brains and talent behind the musician, hence the compositions fall a bit short of (in my case) my expectations but is far better than than without it.
Now those who play, I can see the frustration of the rt styles being stale. they are for me also, but stale is better than none and for the price, well worth it.
I recently watched a youtube vid by Guy Michelmore, a British composer using Cubase Pro and Native instruments and other hardware with his keyboard. There was the gap between me a wantabee and where my head hears ideas.
BB can be more but at what price?
Just an observation not a solution
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Every music software program has at least one advantage as compared to other music software. For example Reaper is known as being easy to customize and low cost, ProTools for its integration with Avid hardware, MultiTrack Studio for it's integrated MIDI sound module.
The Band-in-a-Box advantage I've noticed is it allows use of third party content like audio loops and MIDI files in addition to it's native content.
I don't know what the answer is but there does seem to be a higher than normal disillusionment with the content and to a lessor degree the program.
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As you read this thread it is important to remember context. We have people from everywhere and who embrace different genres at different levels. I love The Cure, Daft Punk, Joy Division, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Public Image Ltd... I was big into the post punk thing. Yet having studied music in college, I also love bands that were orchestral, Like ELO, and the funkers, like EW&F, AWB, OP... I may be 70 but I'm not locked in a box. You have people here who will tell you that if it ain't country it ain't music. We have a guy who leads a Brasilian Samba band. We have techno/dance/trance/rave kind of people.
My idea of a fun band would play Talking Heads, Thompson Twins, Howard Jones, Daft Punk. OMD, Gary Numan, Pet Shop Boys... Just me with a wireless guitar and a bunch of MIDI instruments running around like a maniac to make sure no notes stick... But that won't be the favorite cup of tea for a 75 year old guy from the south yelling "That ain't no Hank Williams song!" Others will tell you music died when The Beatles broke up.
Point being, how daunting of a task is it for PG to make software with real track samples that will keep everybody happy? They do a really good job of it. Yet again, I still say it's getting a little "same old" and would love to see new artists samples instead of devoting a lot of time to some bit of programming minutia that maybe 4 people care about and will use once. "The most good for the most people" seems to be appropriate.
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EDDIE.
i gotta agree with all you say.
imho its time to inject some "va va voom" or "pizazz"
into the product.
i agree when you say why should we have to buy all these other 3rd party products. for example i have other family
financial commitments.
yes its a great product; but i just feel really ...
new suites of grreat RT's would "knock it outta the park" !!
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Interesting thread. I made a decision to play modern songs in my set. Pop hits. I added a sample playlist to explain what I'm looking for. I've yet to see if I can create them in BIAB or Reaper/BIAB. I use the VoiceLive 3 Extreme, so I've got the modern vocal sounds more or less covered. I love Realtracks, but simplicity is definitely the order of the day for some of the new Realtracks. I'd love to see the Usertracks tool developed as well. So much talent we could leverage just from this group. When I see you guys give up on tools, I tend not to go down that rabbit hole. Sample playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3biOj8B3vi8MfAfMujvCUo?si=71ad41d1a1eb4e50
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+ 1 for a new band of realtrack artists.
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Seems to me if PG released a heap more RealTracks one would still find a need for a different RealTrack. Rarely do I use a RealStyle as it comes. Almost always I’ll replace or add a track. Often I wish there was a track that had this or that and sometimes create my own track. Then maybe several projects later I find the track I wish I had.
From my perspective, when it comes to creating or generating songs for me the biggest limitation is my imagination.
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While that is true, it still doesn't address the problem of overplaying. Everything is played way over the top, as a "solo". No ]finesse[/i].
Regards, Bob Howdy 90.... I see your point but I tend to prefer the overplaying. IE: I don't just keep any particular default lead track as is and let it play throughout. I tend to generate 2 or 3 versions of a particular lead track and cut them up. That's where my arrangement work really begins. (in this context) With this type of program I prefer they overplay. I'll take a 1 or 2 bar riff and make it a signature revisited riff at appropriate parts of the arrangement. Maybe the 8 bar lead line playing through verse 3 will be the one I think is best for the lead section itself. I can cull or edit out what parts that don't fit with what my pea brain is trying to put together. That process is how I work so I don't see it as overplaying. I see it as having many creative options to consider and flesh out to my creative satisfaction. Of course, that doesn't mean anyone else will think my originals are worthy.  Hope that makes sense....have a great day. (Although, in reading other comments I do agree with getting new RT blood from other stellar musicians....not an easy task, I'm sure. I'm still on 2015 UltraPlusPak)
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Seems to me if PG released a heap more RealTracks one would still find a need for a different RealTrack And therein lies the heart of the issue. You can only please some of the people some of the time. No matter how many RealTracks, MIDI tracks, Styles or more were produced, something would always be missing. Not a complaint, just a fact.
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Was just wondering, who on here is going to break the bad news to Brent Mason that he has lost favour on here, (plays way too fast) and we want him out of the band, Oh I know he is going to say we we are an ungrateful lot, was available 24/7 never got drunk etc, and maybe even say we give him some sh***y songs to play on. Maybe this is a job for Eddie.
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Was just wondering, who on here is going to break the bad news to Brent Mason that he has lost favour on here, (plays way too fast) and we want him out of the band, Oh I know he is going to say we we are an ungrateful lot, was available 24/7 never got drunk etc, and maybe even say we give him some sh***y songs to play on. Maybe this is a job for Eddie. Get me his number. I'll handle it. He's a fellow Buckeye. He can take it!
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So loops and Samples the way to go then ,Any recommendations for good sites where I can buy some to start giving it a go ?.
Its been posted quite rightly, about users of Biab already doing great songs using loops to add the spice.
Well that was my original point a guess , with the upgrade/cross grade cost, I will now spend it on the loops etc.
Any suggestions of good quality ones ?
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Any suggestions of good quality ones ? Pretty much just that Google is your best friend.
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+++ Big Fish Audio +++ is my go to for song construction kits, loops and samples. They are a distributor for many developers. They also have a free sampler, Momentum, that can slice, dice and remix a sample like Reason while offering the sequencing and playback capability of Kontakt.
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+++ Big Fish Audio +++ They also have a free sampler, Momentum, that can slice, dice and remix a sample like Reason while offering the sequencing and playback capability of Kontakt. You don't say? This looks very interesting to me at this time. There was always a bit of a hurdle for me when I work with loops. Perhaps this is what I was missing. Thanks Jim, for the referral.
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So, the resolution to the points made in this thread is that after paying $569.00 for the program, one would need to purchase some loop libraries.  This is if you want to have a "modern" sound.  No new players, no new styles. It's a disappointment. Regards, Bob
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Definitely be looking at Big Fish Audio !!. Thanks Jim !
OH ! do you need full version Kontakt ?.
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Definitely be looking at Big Fish Audio !!. Thanks Jim !
OH ! do you need full version Kontakt ?. Not for audio loops. But read the descriptions carefully as they do have Kontakt only presets. Some may say in wav, aiff, and presets for Kontakt. You can use those wav files without having Kontakt. Searching for loops is your best bet.
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