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Standing on the water, casting your bread
While the eyes of the idol with the iron head are glowing
Distant ships sailing into the mist
You were born with a snake in both of your fists while a hurricane was blowing
Freedom just around the corner for you
But with truth so far off, what good will it do.
Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune
Bird fly high by the light of the moon
Oh, oh, oh, Jokerman.
--Bob Dylan
Jokerman, Infidels
Some things are just immortal--and never grow old.
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David wrote < "Some people ask me who is Gary Weder.">
I can inform you David that as a musician/songwriter I am on a happy mission from nowhere to oblivion . However as a passionate consumer of music I have personal, if unpopular, opinions which I rarely, if ever, express here for the fear of upsetting anyone. A justifiable apprehension in view of your response.
David wrote < "And so I sit right down and write another silly love song" >
But of course you do David , It's the path of least resistance.
David wrote <" what's wrong with that?" >
Well thankyou David for asking . Being one of those "some people" that Paul refers to: I prefer lyrics to be considerably less maudlin . They do not need to be sophisticated , articulate or clever but they hopefully should contain some elements of interesting , motivating ,enlightening and thought provoking doses of ethos and working class world views. And if your lyrics make me laugh then you are the jewel in the songwriting crown.
David wrote <" I'd like to know">
Apparently David you channelize so would you mind contacting John Lennon and ask him.
David wrote <" So here I go Again!!!!!!">
Hallelujah David, there-in lies the problem !!!!!!!!!! Now I know you do not care David but I am quite conducive to the occasional Love song myself. Yes I know it's hard to believe but I have fallen into the odd Mush pit. However ( the all important IMO ) a repeat offender of said faux pas indicates to me a possible bereft of creativity.
IOW One love song is ok. A production line of them is not.
David wrote <"Hmmmmmm........">
Finally David opines in his own words, and yes I agree : contemplation is a good thing.
David wrote < " Yeah, I think this is gonna work.">
I certainly hope so David, I am keen to test my new Millsandboonitis filter.
Happy Trails David
regards
Gary Weder
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I asked John and this is what he said:
Imagine Gary
and David
sharing all the world!
You may say that I'm a dreamer
but I'm not the only one
What's wrong with writing songs
in Band in a Box
and trying to have a little fun
Cuando para mucho mi amore de felice corazón
What does that mean???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Cuando para mucho mi amore de felice corazón[/i]
What does that mean???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHEN FOR MUCH OF MY LOVE OF HAPPY HEART. Rock and roll doesn't have to make sense.... somebody famous said that I heard.
Last edited by Guitarhacker; 08/19/21 10:06 AM.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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David.
John is indeed a wise man.
He would be glad for us to put this particular chicka ferdy to bed.
Best Regards
Gary.
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Rock and roll doesn't have to make sense.... somebody famous said that I heard. You mean like "Tin Roof - Rusted"! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SOryJvTAGs
Back in my day the only time we started panic buying was when the bartender shouted "last call"!
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Love songs are difficult to write. Well, in my limited knowledge of them if one attempts to avoid mawkishness, sentimentality and buffoonery they are. That's the same with most lyrics too.
My two most recent songs took next to no time to write lyrics for because I wrote fewer lyrics than usual - for me.
With The Half Life Of Truth I wrote a full lyric and then dismissed the parts that didn't suggest a melody within a couple of days. I also tracked the vocals as the snippets of melody arrived rather than as an whole thing. As a result the lyrics are scant and that works for the song that is more impression than suggestion.
With Stinging Eyes I wrote the whole lyric in half an hour, it is probably evident... I TRIED to write more but any/everything else cluttered the narrative or was less easily understood in the quick burst the music offered.
One that's currently under construction, with the working title Emerald Bridge,came into being after a melody was constructed. The melody had to be restructured to accommodate the lyric as the narrative had its own pattern and flow which won the day.
I can't do them but Floyd Jane does "love songs" all the time and does them rather splendidly...he varies his perspective, writes with a good vocabulary and doesn't take the Paul McCartney road.
For me lyrics are important because I like words and I can wrangle them better than I can sounds. I started writing songs in collaboration for that reason.
I like junk lyrics, fun lyrics, serious lyrics and pretentious lyrics.
I don't like lyrics occasionally, say when Dylan tries to force something from a lifestyle choice like all of his stuff after he was born again or when Al Stewart started writing about things and his elite vintner experiences.
BUT I even like My Dog's Dead country sometimes.
If you can fake sincerity you'll probably catch me.
One of the 1st 7" I bought as a kid was Honey by Bobby Goldsboro. I've been fascinated by that sort of "Death Song" or super pathos laden song soaked in schmaltz, mawkish, exploitative and often very, very bad. I also love Robot Monster & Plan 9 From Outer Space...is this a pattern?
Last edited by rayc; 08/20/21 07:42 PM.
Cheers
rayc
"What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
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For all who may need some new ideas...
Here are some love song ideas I found in The Lyric writers' workroom.
Young Love & First Love
Desire & Seduction
Taboos & Forbidden Love
Searching & Singlehood
Loneliness & Longing
Crushes, Infatuation, & New Loves
Romance & Commitment
Jealousy & Rivalry
Rejections, Breakups, & Divorce
Complications & Conflicts
What is love anyway? I love my MTV?...lol
Love song lyrics I like by Mr.John Prine
"Lydia
Lydia hid her thoughts like a cat
Behind her small eyes sunk deep in her fat.
She read romance magazines up in her room
And felt just like sunday on saturday afternoon."
Billy
“Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig?
“Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”
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And as an addendum David , I concede that I deserved your "slap on the wrist" for making a blanket statement without arguments to back it up.
best regards
Gary.
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Re. lyrics.
on each song i create i work very very hard on lyrics.
(as well as other song aspects).
whether my lyrics are any good ? lol.
my attitude is i try and create songs that make "me happy".
and if other people like them, thats just great.
i just think song creators can drive themselves nuts worrying what the rest of the world thinks of their song.
ie "paralysis by analysis",. ive actually come across people
who never finish a song cos they are worried bout what other people think. this is not healthy imho.
best
om
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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I am sorry guys but I don't write love songs. I did try once...lol https://soundcloud.com/planobillydfw/audio-output-6Don't shoot me, I'm just an old guy and have lost my mind...lol Billy
“Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig?
“Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”
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I love lyrics; I began learning english at 12 not to get a job but to try to understand the songs I liked (and computer books); and yes, love songs are my favourites but I can appreciate "Cortez the killer" (Neil Young) too
Bernard Rasson
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