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Lol, Bawb. I'm a Christian, and I stand by every word of my song. What are you going to do - call the Inquisition on me or something? Grow up and learn the real value of what Jesus preached - tolerance and love for your enemies, i.e. for that which you DON'T like. Don't judge, lest you yourself be judged, but love your God, love your neighbour and, very importantly, love your enemy. How dare you preach to me, otherwise? Mind your own and grow up. Cheers.
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James your backing tracks were spot on for this song. Your vocal was really good.
Whether or not I agree with your lyrics I will keep to myself, i.e. enough has been said about them.
Good song.
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Bawb,
I'm not sure it's all that wise for me to wade into these waters . . . religion is always a sensitive subject that stirs strong feelings and opinions, and I certainly don't want to offend anyone's beliefs. But I'm going to share my perspective on this song for what little it may be worth.
I appreciate your passion and your faith , , , and admire your artistry. But I guess I’m not reading these lyrics in the same way. For me, the singer (and please note I think it’s always important, just as in poetry, to separate the writer of the work from the singer/speaker) . . . the singer here strikes me as someone who may be struggling with his own faith, who is looking at world that’s falling apart, at people who have abandoned their faith and His teachings, and questioning why Jesus would come back (and perhaps believing he won’t . . . “unless we find our way” back to Him, as noted in the bridge).
At least I think that’s the intent. I didn’t take this as a message or statement song (and if it is, it strikes me as more of a statement about humanity’s lack of commitment to God—not all folks, but some) . . . and I’m not sure the singer truly believes or wants to believe what he’s saying. That’s my read of it anyway, perhaps a less literal and more interpretive take.
I’m not sure the above will ease your view of the piece, but regardless I truly hope you continue to be a part of the BIAB community. Your artistry adds much to our musical world here, and you’d be missed.
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Bawb,
I'm not sure it's all that wise for me to wade into these waters . . . religion is always a sensitive subject that stirs strong feelings and opinions, and I certainly don't want to offend anyone's beliefs. But I'm going to share my perspective on this song for what little it may be worth.
I appreciate your passion and your faith , , , and admire your artistry. But I guess I’m not reading these lyrics in the same way. For me, the singer (and please note I think it’s always important, just as in poetry, to separate the writer of the work from the singer/speaker) . . . the singer here strikes me as someone who may be struggling with his own faith, who is looking at world that’s falling apart, at people who have abandoned their faith and His teachings, and questioning why Jesus would come back (and perhaps believing he won’t . . . “unless we find our way” back to Him, as noted in the bridge).
At least I think that’s the intent. I didn’t take this as a message or statement song (and if it is, it strikes me as more of a statement about humanity’s lack of commitment to God—not all folks, but some) . . . and I’m not sure the singer truly believes or wants to believe what he’s saying. That’s my read of it anyway, perhaps a less literal and more interpretive take.
I’m not sure the above will ease your view of the piece, but regardless I truly hope you continue to be a part of the BIAB community. Your artistry adds much to our musical world here, and you’d be missed.
Kindest regards,
Deej For what it's worth, Deej, I feel you've nailed what I was trying to say in the song ... every word of it. Thank you. Also, it's interesting: you have far, far more patience than I have, in explaining this so clearly and so genuinely eloquently. I'm too tired for that kinda thing (or so I like to think to myself) ... you've been far more of a "Christian", in some ways, than me, here (notwithstanding that Jesus Himself called a spade a spade, many times - but that's another matter entirely, I guess ... it's probably - probably - not my own job to follow THAT example, haha ...). In any case, thank you so much for your kindness, insight and patience. Most importantly, for me: thanks so much for understanding the song (and what I tried to say through it) so well, and articulating that understanding so eloquently. Bless you. :-)
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James,
your response to outrageous criticism isn't necessary but it's concise.
I did suggest, in my early response, that the target audience would miss the point and Bawb proved that one in spades.
Some folk seek solace in dogma...the simplicity of B&W is appealing.
I respect your nuances.
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Thanks Ray. I'm afraid I lost my rag, tonight, which is a no-no. But - thanks for your kind comments.
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What I'm about to say may get me kicked off. I don't care, I love God more than anything of this world! And I will not let this stand! You need to remove this song from where ever you have it posted, repent and ask for forgiveness! I think the most appropriate response here is just, "You need to take a seat." Aptly adapted.
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I think the most appropriate response here is just, "You need to take a seat." Aptly adapted. Indeed, but not by me. I just found it on Facebook. An intensified form, expressing SEVERE disapproval, is "You need to take SEVERAL seats." But I think that's confusing and makes it sound like it could be a reference to "manspreading" or something.
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How can those blasphemous words of even your title come out of a believers mouth? What scripture did you base your song from? I have never seen it in the Bible.
The inquisition is something that the Catholic church did to true believers who would not bow down to their idols. So, no
I am not judging you. I was standing on the watch tower and warned you. Your blood is on your own hands, now.
You are not my enemy, our battle is not with flesh and blood.
We are not to tolerate evil.
I am not preaching, how does the word say to bring a brother back?
Your words have proven you...
Proverbs 9:8-10 -
8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.
9 Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.
10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
Matthew 10:14 - And if anyone will not welcome you or heed your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town.
I will still pray for you...
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The appropriate response is standing up for the truth. I will not sit, I will stand for the truth. I know it is not popular, but true none the less.
If more people stood up for the truth, this world wouldn't be in the mess it is today. People would rather stay in their comfortable lies than accept the truth...
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I was standing on the watch tower and warned you. Your blood is on your own hands, now. You have crossed the line into threats, even if it's just deranged apocalyptic fantasy. Is your goal to get kicked off this forum, so you can feel persecuted?
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Bawb,
leave Musician17 alone.
No one persecuted you for your posts & your messages of doom.
You're so fixated on YOUR path that you won't recognize that other have different ones or that you've stepped from proselytising into bullying and haranguing.
Quoting scripture - or as I see it cherry picking from one source - doesn't make you the better man. Your quotes are full of self contradiction as well as causes for concern about violence based patriarchy..."The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom..."
Your despair makes you angry and you strike out in your songs and now your communication.
M17 expresses his feelings in a different way.
Go, read the lyrics to my latest song Ultra Violet - that'll give you something to grind your teeth about.
It's a lonely life for someone who sees only the black and white of their own dogma. This isn't an echo chamber, there're all sorts of people in this forum with all sorts of lives, experiences, values and each with a different burden upon them. You've not taken the time to find out though becasue you're busy with yourself.
If you want confirmation and to satisfy your need to employ confirmation bias go visit the Hillsong sites or any of those musical ventures dedicated to "praise" music.
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This song might sound nice, it may have even been sung nicely. I think it's safe to say that you haven't listened the song. 
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This song might sound nice, it may have even been sung nicely. I think it's safe to say that you haven't listened the song. Yep.
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