I did a quick project on BIAB 2022. I rendered using the usual dialog, choosing no full render, render individual tracks, each track dry and center, no normalization.
When playing the project within BIAB, it all sounded fine with the mixer faders at their default positions. But the rendered file is probably 24 dB too hot in the bass track -- it is loud and completely distorted. The other tracks rendered fine (in their individual files.)
I tried pulling back the bass fader before rendering,m but that didn't work. I was able to get a usable file by pulling down the complete "This song" fader. That got the bass below the distortion level.
This never happened to me on any previous release. Anybody else seeing this behavior?
I did a quick project on BIAB 2022. I rendered using the usual dialog, choosing no full render, render individual tracks, each track dry and center, no normalization.
When playing the project within BIAB, it all sounded fine with the mixer faders at their default positions. But the rendered file is probably 24 dB too hot in the bass track -- it is loud and completely distorted. The other tracks rendered fine (in their individual files.)
I tried pulling back the bass fader before rendering,m but that didn't work. I was able to get a usable file by pulling down the complete "This song" fader. That got the bass below the distortion level.
This never happened to me on any previous release. Anybody else seeing this behavior?
I just tried this with that style and it worked fine.
The mixed track WAV (all tracks in one file) was fine and the individual tracks including the bass were also fine (separate WAVs for each track).
i assume youve pulled down the fader in the mixer on the bass trak ?...that dont work ? post a pik of the audio edit window for bass trak plz after being genned. best om
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i assume youve pulled down the fader in the mixer on the bass trak ?...that dont work ? post a pik of the audio edit window for bass trak plz after being genned. best om
No, As I recall, the track fader was reset automatically when I did the render, but the "This Song" was not. At least that is my recollection. I will do some additional testing Friday. Maybe I overlooked something obvious.
I loaded the demo song for _SJAZZC2 style and certainly did not find the bass to be too loud. Actually, if anything it was sitting a little in the background.
The levels were all set to 90 when I loaded the song:
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I was able to do further testing. It happens on other styles. I installed at level 904, but updated to 905, and the problem is still present. To notice the problem, one does need to listen carefully, and perhaps use studio-grade speakers. On my system, the problem is blatantly obvious, but on other systems, it may not be so obvious. In all cases, the bass is at the expected level in the mix when playing directly under BIAB, but it renders about 6dB higher when you send it to WAV. That is always wrong, but depending on the style it may or may not sound distorted. With _SJAZZC2, it is horribly distorted. With _PROMSP it is twice too loud, but not badly distorted.
I was able to create a very simple song from scratch using all defaults, no special settings, and the problem is there every time. The problem is not strictly related to the rendering dialog. The same problem happens if I render a track by dragging onto the "WAV" part of the widget and then drag the rendered file to my song folder. And it happens every time, only on bass -- the other instruments are always fine.
Here is a guide to the attached files:
Loud bass _SJAZZC2.TXT is the BIAB file (in text form) of the file I started with
Played from BIAB live.mp3 is what the full mix sounds like when played under BIAB using default mixer settings. Sounds perfectly normal.
Played from BIAB live.png is a screen shot of that file in Audacity. Notice that with all the instruments in the mix, it is never close to clipping.
Bass line dragged.mp3 is the sound file when I drag-render just the bass track
Bass line dragged.png is that same file displayed in Audacity. Notice the bass track alone is much hotter than the entire mix file, and is badly clipped.
I didn't change any mixer settings -- or any other settings -- any time when saving these examples. Also note that I did not request normalization -- indeed, I didn't even use the render dialog. These are the levels that BIAB used on its own.
Aha. I think I know what is happening here. The tracks that render as stereo are coming out at the right level. The tracks that render as mono have a routing problem internal to BIAB that is doubling their level. I used _PROMSP which has 2 guitars that render mono, and those guitars are both double loud.
This is undoubtedly a bug. I'm sure it never worked like this before I have done dozens (maybe hundreds) of projects like this and would have noticed a doubling of the volume for sure.
As a test, could you try manually saving the bass to a wav file rather than dragging it.
To do this...
1. Right click on the Bass track
2. Select "Track Actions"
3. Select "Save Track as WAV File" (double check which directory it's being saved to... by default, the file will save in the same directory as the song file and it will be called "[song title] BBBass_Real_SingleRender.wav"
3. Select "Save Track as WAV File" (double check which directory it's being saved to... by default, the file will save in the same directory as the song file and it will be called "[song title] BBBass_Real_SingleRender.wav"
4. Now load that saved WAV into Audacity
Is this any better?
No. That WAV file is double loud and clipped, just like the results when dragging or when using the render dialog.. (It is mono, as expected.)
There was an issue with an earlier test version where all the channels were getting summed if you selected Solo or Mute the buttons, but I thought that was resolved.
Did you mute or solo any tracks when creating the output audio?
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There was an issue with an earlier test release where all the channels were getting summed if you selected Solo or Mute the buttons, but I thought that was resolved.
Did you mute or solo any tracks when creating the output audio?
I did some solo/mute operations at first, but the files I loaded above were all done without any solo or mute. And the file I created from scratch (not loaded above) had the same problem even though I never touched solo or mute on that file.
Perhaps this is another variation of the bug you referred to. It does seem the mono tracks are being double-summed.
When you click on the "Plugins" tab on the Mixer, what does it day for the Bass track? Is it four "none" like shown on the image below?
Also, under "Options", try "Return to Factory settings" using the MOST option first up and then the ALL option if the "most" one doesn't seem to make a difference. I've often found that when BIAB does something it never used to, "Return to factory settings" solves the problem.
Lastly, is it possible that there might be a setting, or a plugin, on the Audacity track that's causing the volume increase?
Hi all! Pumps2 (and anyone else experiencing this issue) - on the mixer, are your "this song" and "all songs" faders set higher than zero? That's the only way I was able to duplicate this issue.
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