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How do I combine repeats and coda? #694789 12/29/21 10:06 AM Beginners Forum
Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 22 W Wysocki OP Enthusiast
OP Wysocki Enthusiast W Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 22	New to BIAB, thought I'd enter a "simple" song - Margaritaville. Has anyone been able to code this song? I entered a 7 bar intro. I entered a 16 bar verse and 16 bar chorus. I made the verse/chorus repeat 4 times (2 vocal / 1 instrumental / 1 vocal). I added a 4 bar tag ending. Now I need help: I'd like the 3rd repeat to use a fuller style than the others. Any way to indicate that? But my major issue is that on the 4th repeat, I want to eliminate the last 2 bars of the chorus, and jump to the tag ending. This would be like a DS al Coda but only on the last repeat. I've watched the Youtube tutorial on DS coda but I can't figure out how to make it work on this song with 4 repeats.

Re: How do I combine repeats and coda? Wysocki #694797 12/29/21 10:40 AM Beginners Forum
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 20,600 Australia Noel96 Veteran
Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 20,600 Australia	Hi Wysocki, Instead of using repeats, I strong encourage you to lay your song out in a once-through format. Doing it this way, makes it very easy to control every section. By copying and pasting, it's also very quick to layout a song from start to finish. The below song I wrote is a video of BIAB's chordsheet that will show you how I laid out the song from start to finish. I have used the blue and green part markers to define each section. The song is in the AABA format. Blue part markers introduce an accompaniment that has less movement than green part markers. Part markers are set by repeatedly clicking on bar numbers (1 click = blue, 2 clicks = green, 3 clicks = no part marker). https://vimeo.com/143978481 Because it was in linear format, it was very easy to control bars, changing time signatures, keys and effects. Intro = bars 1 - 4 First A-Section = bars 5 - 13; bar 13 is 2/4 (the song is written in 4/4) Second A-Section = bars 14 - 22; bar 22 is 2/4 Bridge = bars 23 - 32; bar 23 sets the key to D major and bar 27 sets the key to A major Third A-Section = bars 32 - 40; bar 32 sets the key back to G major Instrumental = bars 41 - 48; I used F5 (Bar Settings) to mute some instruments and to solo a cello. Hope these thoughts give you some useful information. Regards, Noel MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2026 audios on Soundcloud

Re: How do I combine repeats and coda? Wysocki #695101 12/30/21 04:43 PM Beginners Forum
Joined: Apr 2013 Posts: 8,874 South Carolina C Charlie Fogle Veteran
Charlie Fogle Veteran C Joined: Apr 2013 Posts: 8,874 South Carolina	Similar to Noel's advice to do the song in a linear format, I begin the song with a 7 bar intro and I use 1st/2nd ending for the first verse/chorus and 2nd verse/chorus and then for a verse of instrumental, I change the style and at the following chorus I change the style back to the original style. At the end of that chorus, I repeat the last two lines "some people claim..." and then use a style change back to the second style and the instrumental plays out to the end of the song. By using the 1st/2nd ending rather than a single linear format causes BIAB to play a more interesting 2nd verse and chorus without having to use Part Markers to generate different variations of the style. Then by changing the Style to a completely different style adds even more variation and dynamics that continues to build the song arrangement and the song still has the more active B style arrangement on the last chorus and builds again for the two line last repeat and instrumental ending. Here's a link to the m4a audio of the attached SGU file with no melody or vocals added. I made no attempt to actually recreate a performance of the song Margaritaville but used two styles found using a filtered search for the song in the StylePicker. The styles used are a/b ISLANDP.STY and c/d CTRYPSS.STY Margaritaville m4a file in DropBox Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) Margarittaville with Repeats1.SGU.m4a (34.04 KB, 17 downloads) Remove the m4a extension to access the SGU file. Repeats.jpg (221.79 KB, 178 downloads) Last edited by Charlie Fogle; 12/30/21 04:45 PM. BIAB 2026:RB 2026, Latest builds: Dell Optiplex 7040 Desktop; Windows-10-64 bit, Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz CPU and 16 GB Ram Memory.

Re: How do I combine repeats and coda? Charlie Fogle #695124 12/30/21 08:40 PM Beginners Forum
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,103 Melbourne, Australia AudioTrack Veteran
AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,103 Melbourne, Australia	Fantastic production Charlie. Pretty close to the original. Great job, no question. BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: How do I combine repeats and coda? Wysocki #695133 12/31/21 12:11 AM Beginners Forum
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 20,600 Australia Noel96 Veteran
Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 20,600 Australia	Hey Charlie, I agree with Trev. That's an excellent production Happy New Year, Noel MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2026 audios on Soundcloud

Re: How do I combine repeats and coda? Wysocki #695926 01/03/22 01:27 PM Beginners Forum
Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 22 W Wysocki OP Enthusiast
OP Wysocki Enthusiast W Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 22	Thanks for the replies. I'll have to check out the suggestions, but I still am shocked that things like the coda don't work as they should. Last edited by Wysocki; 01/03/22 01:29 PM.

Re: How do I combine repeats and coda? Wysocki #695940 01/03/22 02:05 PM Beginners Forum
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 647 Burlington, Ontario, Canada D Dave Journeyman
Dave Journeyman D Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 647 Burlington, Ontario, Canada	Repeats, 1st and 2nd endings, codas and fines are print functions. If you build your song in a linear form, as per Noel, your printed output can look fine The DO NOT change the underlying music in any way. If you built it wrong it will play wrong and repeats and codas will not fix it BIAB for Windows Version 2019 (643) Windows 10 (1909)

Re: How do I combine repeats and coda? Wysocki #696052 01/04/22 06:38 AM Beginners Forum
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,878 Middlesex, NC Guitarhacker Veteran
Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,878 Middlesex, NC	UNFOLD that thing. Working linear is the only way to work. Forget the musical roadsigns. I was classically trained and started by trying to use the repeats and DC al codas.... and what a pain. I happened to stumble across the UNFOLD to one Chorus feature and life was instantly changed. You can do so much with the song unfolded. Want to do a rit ending.....???? Yep, easy to do in the unfolded form. You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

Re: How do I combine repeats and coda? Wysocki #696151 01/04/22 10:20 PM Beginners Forum
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,103 Melbourne, Australia AudioTrack Veteran
AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,103 Melbourne, Australia	On the subject of Folded/Unfolded, I hardly ever unfold. I can always get the layout and repeats I want to work with a folded song. Some input might be easier if Unfolded, but I really don't find much that can't be achieved with a standard chorus repeats, tags etc when using the standard multiple chorus layout. Most important for me, the printed score doesn't have to be multiple pages long when I use the folded method. BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: How do I combine repeats and coda? Wysocki #805436 03/27/24 09:22 AM Beginners Forum
Joined: Feb 2024 Posts: 5 UK C Closed Sessioner Newbie
Closed Sessioner Newbie C Joined: Feb 2024 Posts: 5 UK	I like to use the folded version because I play with sheet music and BiaB chord charts side by side on a laptop screen, and it is easier to follow the progress of the music visually when the layout is similar. But trying to set up the chord chart with multiple repeats, and say a DS al a Fine that is in the middle of the piece (typical AABA) I find impossible in BiaB (I am using the 2024 version). The 1st/2nd ending set up works ok, but then when I open up the drop down box to add a DS or DC al Coda or Fine, the action button is greyed out and there is always a message claiming a conflict with an earlier ending - presumably the 1st/2nd that I have already put in and which I need to maintain. It is only by removing the latter that I can make the action button operable. So then I have lost the first part of the programming I need. I fully realise that a linear (unfolded) approach provides a way of avoiding these problems, but then I have two screens which look quite different in layout, which negates my major objective. Why can't the BiaB process be made less clunky? It's a breeze in iReal Pro, which I use for other purposes.

Re: How do I combine repeats and coda? Wysocki #805442 03/27/24 10:47 AM Beginners Forum
Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,147 Essex England Bob Calver Veteran
Bob Calver Veteran Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,147 Essex England	I presume you are a keyboard player and want to 'follow the dots'. as a guitarist i used to play margaritaville live and the chords are so easy winging it is straightforward. it's really quite a simple song and folded/unfolded - either way is fine on my BIAB version.

Re: How do I combine repeats and coda? Closed Sessioner #805473 03/27/24 03:39 PM Beginners Forum
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,103 Melbourne, Australia AudioTrack Veteran
AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,103 Melbourne, Australia	In Song Settings ( <Ctrl>N ), do your ending values look similar to this (bar numbers will change of course): BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: How do I combine repeats and coda? AudioTrack #805474 03/27/24 03:40 PM Beginners Forum
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,103 Melbourne, Australia AudioTrack Veteran
AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,103 Melbourne, Australia	Also, the song will jump to the Tag bar on the last repeat of the chorus. BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: How do I combine repeats and coda? Closed Sessioner #805476 03/27/24 03:49 PM Beginners Forum
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,103 Melbourne, Australia AudioTrack Veteran
AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,103 Melbourne, Australia	There's also a video on Repeats and Endings that might be useful. BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: How do I combine repeats and coda? Wysocki #806090 04/02/24 10:34 AM Beginners Forum
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mrgeeze Expert Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 892 Sonoran Desert	some tunes allow you to use the folded version quite well to your advantage. a lot of jazz tunes that follow a simple format (e.g. aaba) are a good example. "vary middle choruses" is a great switch that allows for some variety to play your solos over. Other tunes I just unfold. Its just easier. So, as usual, it depends. biab2026(Mac) Latest Build Mac OS (Latest) Apple Mac Mini M2 pro 32GB Ram Logic Pro (latest or pretty close) Blue and White Sea Star

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