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dcuny #702804 02/04/22 08:48 AM
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Having recently finished the series Humans makes this all the more intriguing smile

And you are welcome as we, indeed, read to the end!

Irrespective of the vocal source we first want to mention that this is an excellent tune and the arrangement is high bar.
Loving those counterpoint lines.

Reading your list of tracks is a bit mind boggling. We could never imagine doing that and ending up with something that sounds this good ... and cohesive.

Excellent vocals and I (Bud) want to mention that "excellent" was the exact word used by Janice. Your command of the phrasing, the melody and the vibrato is amazing and something we would never take for granted.

We really hope you keep the "la la's" as they sound good and fit with the whole "nothing left to say" theme, as does the abrupt ending of the song. We also enjoyed the change to a "happy beat" (as Janice calls it) in the chorus.

Enjoyed this!

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David,
this nearly escaped me. Sorry late for the party. Excellent fusion of talent & craftsmanship. Choruses are something special. They sounded very unusual and fresh. Mix is very clean and atmospherical.
I want to write a meaningful comment and I hope that you will not find it offensive. Seems that recent music that I have heard which deals with vocal synthesizers is aimed to make it as "human as possible" and that is understandable.... However this tune has very unusual form, and most likely it would be difficult to find a vocalist that can follow these fun choruses. I would try to do absolute opposite with them (choruses), making them sound... not human, but leaving phrasing intact. A layer of top FX . Robots and their metallo-archaic voices have their own charm and aesthetics within music world smile Nevertheless, fantastic effort! Thank you for sharing.

Misha.

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Nice to see you progressing with SynthV---i haven't tried doing harmonies yet.. what do you think about the tool. how are you getting the notes into SynthV?

i just purchased the male voice -Keith an just posted my Linkin Park cover....

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Originally Posted By: RnAM
Lovely song David.
These artificial voices sound so great nowadays.
Nothing wrong with some La-la-la's every now and then.
We also used UJAM sometimes, such a pity they stopped.

Hi, Rob and Anne-Marie.

Thanks for the nice words, and the comments on the "la la la"s. At this point, I think they're a permanent addition to the song. laugh

I'm curious what "stopped" with UJAM. They're still in business. Maybe I just misunderstood your comment.

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Originally Posted By: Janice & Bud
Having recently finished the series Humans makes this all the more intriguing smile

And you are welcome as we, indeed, read to the end!

Thanks! I figured if anyone was going to wade through that, it was going to be you! smile

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Irrespective of the vocal source we first want to mention that this is an excellent tune and the arrangement is high bar.
Loving those counterpoint lines.

They're also a lot of fun to write, and a lot easier to have a program sing it than for me to do it. wink

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Reading your list of tracks is a bit mind boggling. We could never imagine doing that and ending up with something that sounds this good ... and cohesive.

Well, the trick is - as you're aware - it to have as little happening as possible at one time. Only one bass part is playing at a time; two of the guitars are panned to either side; some of those guitars only show up on the chorus, and so on.

I like to have a fair amount of change happen on the arrangement, and this is a pretty simple way to do it.

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Excellent vocals and I (Bud) want to mention that "excellent" was the exact word used by Janice. Your command of the phrasing, the melody and the vibrato is amazing and something we would never take for granted.

blush I appreciate that, especially coming from you two!

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We really hope you keep the "la la's" as they sound good and fit with the whole "nothing left to say" theme, as does the abrupt ending of the song. We also enjoyed the change to a "happy beat" (as Janice calls it) in the chorus.

They're staying in - I never found something better to replace them with, and I didn't really try that hard.

I'd actually extended the ending a bit more than what it was before, based on a misunderstanding of what floyd jane had written, but it was something that I intended to do anyway.

I don't think I've ever really figured out how to write a "pop" song. After I wrote the first version of the chorus (which I thought was pretty good), I went back and completely rewrote it to be more upbeat and poppy. I think it was pretty successful, and I'll see if I can improve my writing in that general direction this year.

Thanks again! laugh


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Originally Posted By: Rustyspoon#

I want to write a meaningful comment and I hope that you will not find it offensive. Seems that recent music that I have heard which deals with vocal synthesizers is aimed to make it as "human as possible" and that is understandable.... However this tune has very unusual form, and most likely it would be difficult to find a vocalist that can follow these fun choruses. I would try to do absolute opposite with them (choruses), making them sound... not human, but leaving phrasing intact. A layer of top FX . Robots and their metallo-archaic voices have their own charm and aesthetics within music world smile

Well, it's too late for this song, because I'm much to lazy to do an extensive makeover.

But there's definitely appeal to the idea of using robotic voices sung by actual robots (through vocoders), if only for the ironic value.

Plus, vocoders are cool anyway, and I'm not one to shy away from a '70s vibe in a song.

So it's something I'll keep in mind.

Thanks for the suggestion! laugh


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Nice to see you progressing with SynthV---i haven't tried doing harmonies yet.. what do you think about the tool. how are you getting the notes into SynthV?

I create a backing track from BiaB, and import it into SynthesizerV. Then I create the notes in the Studio Pro Editor, using piano roll notation. I then export the results to my DAW.

If you create the melody in BiaB, you need to be aware that by default, BiaB inserts small rests between notes - even if those notes appear to be adjacent!

This really messes things up for Voice Synthesizers.

To turn this option off, you have to go to Preferences -> Notation -> More... and change Duration % from the default of 80% to 100%. You have to do this before you start entering in any MIDI notes!

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i just purchased the male voice -Keith an just posted my Linkin Park cover....

I assume you mean the Kevin voice?

I've gone back with this song and replaced the male vocal with Kevin. But I haven't had a lot of time to work with the voice, so I'm still figuring out what it sounds like.


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David I admire the work you do on vocaloid and this one has a pretty tone for the most part. On the other hand I know you can and I really miss hearing you sing.

Josie

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David I admire the work you do on vocaloid and this one has a pretty tone for the most part. On the other hand I know you can and I really miss hearing you sing.

Hi, Josie.

Thanks! I'll try to do some "real" vocals in the next song or so. smile


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With Autotune being used for effect in modern music, these synth voices sound more human than some humans.

I really like the chorus. Stand out work.

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