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Oh! Excellent! Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks.
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Of course you do know you should never mix new software with current project work? New software can turn around and bite you at the worst of times. Don't underestimate the learning curve associated with this software. But you know that... 
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Of course you do know you should never mix new software with current project work? New software can turn around and bite you at the worst of times. Don't underestimate the learning curve associated with this software. But you know that... Oh totally! I've had some bad experiences in the past with updates gone wrong and all that jazz. Today, I have a pretty solid Cubase/Pro Tools setup and an awesome team to keep it running like clockwork. Yet I always keep an eye open for new tech (or in the case of BIAB, older tech that I didn't know about) that can help me do more :-)
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Anthony.
Heres some tips.
Really peruse the faq’s and vids in pg support…includeing tutorials on you tube.
Make sure you save your settings by saving option with patches.
If you have a big commission // project split it into more than one bb file.
In the style picker..dont just go thru a few styles when youve laid out in bb your chord arrangement. Ive found many golden nuggets of sound by not following standard procedures. For example i do mainly rock, and occasional ballad…but i might explore other styles outside the rock and ballad genres. Ie happy accidents. I know it can be a lot of work going thru thousands of styles..but ive some v interesting results.
I make my own custom drum intros , and dont bother bout metronome…so lets say i have a ballad in key of E i enter in bb e.d/e.d/e.d/e.d ie 4 bars lead in only playing drums. This also useful for drum solos in conjunction with part markers….also lets say you need a 12 bar drum solo…experiment with 12 bars of e.d with different part marker colors at each or other bar. The KEY is experiment cos bb is very deep.
A final tip as i dont have loads of time today….what i do is …lets say i’ve done my chord arrange, what i do is go thru loads of styles , and lets say i go “hmm i like that soloist”..then what i do is save…and i give the save a filename like 2356NICESOLO as the file name whereby the number is the bb instrument number OR i might save as INSTRUMENT ID + INSTRUMENT TYPE + COMMENT eg 857BASSVERYFUNKY…now i’m on pc so on mac things might be different…
what i’m trying to say and its very important is i apply my final chord arrange to a ton of styles and then as i come across nuggets i save…THUS on any song i might end up…like a song i’m doing now 40 saved files….
FROM THESE 40 saves i then assemble my final bb song file….think of it like in a big studio a project one auditions session musicians for a major project , and then one decides which musicians are in the band.
Hth
om
ps..and please keep an open mind, try reaper for mac from reaper.fm...try a test run. its fast and nimble with small footprint. if you doubt me read up the thousands of fans at reaper.fm. and talk to users who have moved from other daws.
happiness.
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 02/21/22 04:57 AM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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You may also want to look at "EDIT" "SONG FORM" "SONG FORM DIALOG" and generate your own Song Form.
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F5 is one way and it’s very powerful. Basically you generate a bunch of complete tracks but use F5 to Mute them where needed. The opposite command is called Back to Normal.
You can of course do this kind of editing in your DAW, but it’s non-destructive in BIAB too, to use Mute via the options in F5 at different bars.
One thing you will run into for song form is that BIAB uses the term ‘chorus’ in the jazz sense, meaning ‘once through the song’. For example, ‘take a chorus’ means to blow a solo once through the tune. There are a few things in Edit, Song Form you might like to look over.
EDIT: I see Song Form was mentioned. Good. There’s more. There’s almost always more in this program.
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i Suggest you explore the user showcase choosing different genres where folks who use Band-in-a-Box post their creations and usually indicate which real tracks they use and sometimes other production details The user to user section can also help to ease the learning curve Of course the band in a box Mac forum is another resource User Joanne Cooper is also a resource worth checking out https://www.playiit.com/
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BIAB I think, now defaults to a linear structure as opposed to the previous multiple chorus format. Just enter the chords as you want to get the structure you want. Shame you don't have RB. I find it much easier to use for manipulating individual tracks and cutting and pasting large chunks of music.
Edit - at least that's how BIAB 2022 works. The mac version is still 2021.
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Thanks. Actually, SonicFire is definitely not the tool for me. That's absolutely fine. Better for you to know about it and not need it rather than the other way around 
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Anthony.
Heres some tips.
Really peruse the faq’s and vids in pg support…includeing tutorials on you tube.
Make sure you save your settings by saving option with patches.
If you have a big commission // project split it into more than one bb file.
In the style picker..dont just go thru a few styles when youve laid out in bb your chord arrangement. Ive found many golden nuggets of sound by not following standard procedures. For example i do mainly rock, and occasional ballad…but i might explore other styles outside the rock and ballad genres. Ie happy accidents. I know it can be a lot of work going thru thousands of styles..but ive some v interesting results.
I make my own custom drum intros , and dont bother bout metronome…so lets say i have a ballad in key of E i enter in bb e.d/e.d/e.d/e.d ie 4 bars lead in only playing drums. This also useful for drum solos in conjunction with part markers….also lets say you need a 12 bar drum solo…experiment with 12 bars of e.d with different part marker colors at each or other bar. The KEY is experiment cos bb is very deep.
A final tip as i dont have loads of time today….what i do is …lets say i’ve done my chord arrange, what i do is go thru loads of styles , and lets say i go “hmm i like that soloist”..then what i do is save…and i give the save a filename like 2356NICESOLO as the file name whereby the number is the bb instrument number OR i might save as INSTRUMENT ID + INSTRUMENT TYPE + COMMENT eg 857BASSVERYFUNKY…now i’m on pc so on mac things might be different…
what i’m trying to say and its very important is i apply my final chord arrange to a ton of styles and then as i come across nuggets i save…THUS on any song i might end up…like a song i’m doing now 40 saved files….
FROM THESE 40 saves i then assemble my final bb song file….think of it like in a big studio a project one auditions session musicians for a major project , and then one decides which musicians are in the band.
Thanks for all these great tips!
ps..and please keep an open mind, try reaper for mac from reaper.fm...try a test run. its fast and nimble with small footprint. if you doubt me read up the thousands of fans at reaper.fm. and talk to users who have moved from other daws.
happiness.
I know about Reaper, for sure. I've even made some plugins for it years ago. Now the reality is that film scoring is mostly done using one of the "heavy-hitter" DAWs (Cubase, DP, Logic, ...) and the mixing done with Pro Tools. My setup relies on Cubase, slave machines wired using VEPro, video on another slave runnning Video Sync 5 and everything routed to Pro Tools for stemming/mixing. You may also want to look at "EDIT" "SONG FORM" "SONG FORM DIALOG" and generate your own Song Form. Awesome! This is even more what I was looking for.
One thing you will run into for song form is that BIAB uses the term ‘chorus’ in the jazz sense, meaning ‘once through the song’. For example, ‘take a chorus’ means to blow a solo once through the tune. There are a few things in Edit, Song Form you might like to look over.
EDIT: I see Song Form was mentioned. Good. There’s more. There’s almost always more in this program.
This is something that was puzzling me, yes. Thanks for pointing it out. i Suggest you explore the user showcase choosing different genres where folks who use Band-in-a-Box post their creations and usually indicate which real tracks they use and sometimes other production details
Very good tip! Will do! I'm still going through the manual. Should be done shortly :-)
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You’ll find updates and other support info here including online manuals
You can save the pdf version in iOS/Mac books app
You could then markup the pdf in ways you find helpful
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