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Hi everybody,

I've always found as extremely useful the F5 (bar settings) to mute/unmute the single tracks of a song.

Now, since the great option of adding many utility tracks has been developed, there is I cannot understand.

My problem: suppose I have all the "normal" tracks in F5 button occupied.

Now: suppose I add a RealTrack utility, and I need it begins to play at bar #60 (for example). Well, is there a way to mute it from bar 1 till 59 from inside BIAB? Or do I need a DAW to make it? In MultiRiff it would be very useful a "mute" button from bar X till bar Y...or do I miss something?

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Originally Posted By: alfstone
Hi everybody,

I've always found as extremely useful the F5 (bar settings) to mute/unmute the single tracks of a song.

Now, since the great option of adding many utility tracks has been developed, there is I cannot understand.

My problem: suppose I have all the "normal" tracks in F5 button occupied.

Now: suppose I add a RealTrack utility, and I need it begins to play at bar #60 (for example). Well, is there a way to mute it from bar 1 till 59 from inside BIAB? Or do I need a DAW to make it? In MultiRiff it would be very useful a "mute" button from bar X till bar Y...or do I miss something?

Thanks!

Alfredo

Good question. The currently preferred way to do this is using the Audio Edit Window, selecting the particular track and applying automation nodes to change the volume as required:

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Hi everybody,

I've always found as extremely useful the F5 (bar settings) to mute/unmute the single tracks of a song.

Now, since the great option of adding many utility tracks has been developed, there is I cannot understand.

My problem: suppose I have all the "normal" tracks in F5 button occupied.

Now: suppose I add a RealTrack utility, and I need it begins to play at bar #60 (for example). Well, is there a way to mute it from bar 1 till 59 from inside BIAB? Or do I need a DAW to make it? In MultiRiff it would be very useful a "mute" button from bar X till bar Y...or do I miss something?

Thanks!

Alfredo

Good question. The currently preferred way to do this is using the Audio Edit Window, selecting the particular track and applying automation nodes to change the volume as required:


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You're very welcome. I'm pleased to be able to assist in some small way. smile


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Yes, it is currently highly requested that the Utility Tracks be added to the F5/Bar Settings window. For now, the option mentioned above will work as the way to apply mutes to Utility Tracks.


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Yes, it is currently highly requested that the Utility Tracks be added to the F5/Bar Settings window.

My bemusement with this is why on Earth it simply wasn't done in the first place? Surely it's so obvious that people will use F5 as before and then say "hey, where are the utility tracks?".


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Personally I've found UTs so much extra 'bother', them not doing this, that or the other, that if I want extra instrument tracks that follow standard BB practise, I create TWO SGUs and export all the tracks to DAW.
Until the happy day that they do and are available via F5, thats my work method, right or wrong.


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Originally Posted By: sixchannel
Personally I've found UTs so much extra 'bother', them not doing this, that or the other, that if I want extra instrument tracks that follow standard BB practise, I create TWO SGUs and export all the tracks to DAW.
Until the happy day that they do and are available via F5, thats my work method, right or wrong.



BIAB's imperfect F5 function seems to be forcing me to use other DAWs on purpose.
I am now proficient with STUDIO ONE! grin


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Adding the additional tracks caused questions about whether the methods used with the 'legacy' tracks could work when the number of tracks is much greater. There has been much discussion about this, and some growing pains were to be expected. The radio buttons, the codes you enter for exclusions in the chordsheet, applying all tracks to the new microchord dialog ... all these and more need to be resolved.



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My bemusement with this is why on Earth it simply wasn't done in the first place?

Yep! And why does the website still claim, as the first of 50 new features that "All Tracks are equal"?

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Personally I've found UTs so much extra 'bother', them not doing this, that or the other, that if I want extra instrument tracks that follow standard BB practise, I create TWO SGUs and export all the tracks to DAW.

I do this exact same process. I've learned the fastest path to success with BIAB is to use it as little as possible. Get in, generate those AMAZING RealTracks, and get out!

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I've learned the fastest path to success with BIAB is to use it as little as possible.
Get in, generate those AMAZING RealTracks, and get out!

There are various terms for this approach. Mine is "smash and grab", and it's the coolest. =8^)

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Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
Adding the additional tracks caused questions about whether the methods used with the 'legacy' tracks could work when the number of tracks is much greater.

Oh, aye. I'm certain it's much more complex than just adding more of the same, but I personally feel they tend to be driven too much by features for the Christmas release and too little by thinking fully through what they're trying to achieve. I'm pretty sure the dual consequences of that are some end-user frustration and some sticks for PGM's own back.

Originally Posted By: Matt Finley

There has been much discussion about this, and some growing pains were to be expected.

Of course; and we do need to be patient. I doubt any of us could put a hand on our heart and say we haven't messed up on planning at some stage ... I certainly have.


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< “My problem: suppose I have all the "normal" tracks in F5 button occupied.

Now: suppose I add a RealTrack utility, and I need it begins to play at bar #60 (for example). Well, is there a way to mute it from bar 1 till 59 from inside BIAB? Or do I need a DAW to make it? In MultiRiff it would be very useful a "mute" button from bar X till bar Y...or do I miss something?
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Yes, there’s a way to mute any track from Bar 1 thru bar 69. It’s extremely easy and it works on all 24 of the tracks. Start the track using RT1152:silence and replace it with the other instrument you want to play at bar 60.

No DAW is necessary and it’s as fast and easy to use just like using Bar Settings. It works the same as any RealTrack except there’s silence rather than an instrument playing.

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