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#710784 03/27/22 03:51 AM
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I want to start creating songs completely from scratch (not using styles). I see there are a few BLANK style options but some are missing like Blank 16. Are there some by other names than Blank that i am missing? Is there an easy way for me to accomplish this?

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For what it's worth, I've lobbied for a complete suite of blank styles for years. Dr.Gannon agreed and two blank styles were released in 2022.

I agree more needs to be done. My original proposal was for a matrix of blank styles that covers each primary time signature 3/4 & 4/4, feel even & swing and bar division 8 & 16.

Never hurts to go to the +++ Styles and RealTracks Wishlist +++ and find an old request and support it or make a new one.

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Not understanding why there HAS to be a 16 BLANK.
Isn't a Blank just a Blank or is there some hidden 'motor' within the Style that affects RTs assigned to it?
I ask because I recently started an SGU with a 44 BLANK 8ths but as I went along i found myself using EV8 AND EV16 RTs and it sounded and worked fine.
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Ian, it matters in notation. I don't read or write music so that doesn't mean much to me.

It also matters in how the program selects riffs and phrases from whatever RealTracks are used. That does matter to me.

Here is a comment Peter Gannon made some time ago in response to a similar question I asked:
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> For example, anyone have any idea how a BLANK ev8 style would differ from a BLANK ev16 style?

There are lots of places in BIAB that make use of this. For examples:
1. If you have a ev16 style loaded and want to switch to a Ev8 style, BiaB will prompt you (by a green flash message) asking you if you want to expand the chords and melody ;and double the tempo)
2. When finding best soloists, RT, chord substitutions, it will match a 16th based soloist to a 16th based style.

For Ev8, Ev16, &Sw16 vs Sw8 the same thing applies, with the addition that the notation window in Sw8 (not sw16) displays using triplets (simplifying to 8th notes for two eight notes as in jazz)


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Originally Posted By: Jim Fogle
Ian, it matters in notation. I don't read or write music so that doesn't mean much to me.

It also matters in how the program selects riffs and phrases from whatever RealTracks are used. That does matter to me.

Here is a comment Peter Gannon made some time ago in response to a similar question I asked:
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> For example, anyone have any idea how a BLANK ev8 style would differ from a BLANK ev16 style?

There are lots of places in BIAB that make use of this. For examples:
1. If you have a ev16 style loaded and want to switch to a Ev8 style, BiaB will prompt you (by a green flash message) asking you if you want to expand the chords and melody ;and double the tempo)
2. When finding best soloists, RT, chord substitutions, it will match a 16th based soloist to a 16th based style.

For Ev8, Ev16, &Sw16 vs Sw8 the same thing applies, with the addition that the notation window in Sw8 (not sw16) displays using triplets (simplifying to 8th notes for two eight notes as in jazz)


Hi Jim
Great answer. Thank you so much. It explains a lot.
Like many I don't read or write music so I wouldn't have seen the notation thing.
But as I suspected a Blank isn't just 'empty', there is this 'motor' running within it to make it Ev16, Sw8 or whatever Blank concept you've chosen.
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Originally Posted By: Jim Fogle
For what it's worth, I've lobbied for a complete suite of blank styles for years. Dr.Gannon agreed and two blank styles were released in 2022.

I agree more needs to be done. My original proposal was for a matrix of blank styles that covers each primary time signature 3/4 & 4/4, feel even & swing and bar division 8 & 16.

Never hurts to go to the +++ Styles and RealTracks Wishlist +++ and find an old request and support it or make a new one.


Was this implemented in the Windows 2022 version ? I am on a Mac so in that case I will have to wait but thankful that there is some additional style help --Thanks eveyone

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Originally Posted By: ChicagoBob
Originally Posted By: Jim Fogle
For what it's worth, I've lobbied for a complete suite of blank styles for years. Dr.Gannon agreed and two blank styles were released in 2022.

I agree more needs to be done. My original proposal was for a matrix of blank styles that covers each primary time signature 3/4 & 4/4, feel even & swing and bar division 8 & 16.

Never hurts to go to the +++ Styles and RealTracks Wishlist +++ and find an old request and support it or make a new one.


Was this implemented in the Windows 2022 version ? I am on a Mac so in that case I will have to wait but thankful that there is some additional style help --Thanks eveyone


Yes, these are the blank Styles in the Windows 2022 UltraPAK.

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Curious that BLANKS16 is marked as ev16 ... clearly something awry there.


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And should BLANK34 be ev8?


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And should BLANK34 be ev8?


Thanks - we will fix the error in the SwEv column for BLANK34 and BLANKS16


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