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Ultimate tells me they carry the part I need, but they are currently out of stock. They will sell them to me, but won't honor the lifetime warranty.
They are $4 each, and at this time I don't think it's worth going to the Consumer Protection Agency for something that inexpensive. But I have them bookmarked just in case I change my mind.
Ultimate's rep said they will let me know when they are back in stock.
I now have 3 spares, and that should last me a few years, but when they get back in stock, I'll buy a buffer amount to cover the future.
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Yep, they wear you down. How many $4's have we all so far genuinely spent trying to resolve this? I'm not making excuses for the warranty, but? Get yourself a lifetime of spares if possible, so you don't have to endure such crazy torment in the future. May the music be with you.
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Yep, they wear you down. How many $4's have we all so far genuinely spent trying to resolve this? I'm not making excuses for the warranty, but? Get yourself a lifetime of spares if possible, so you don't have to endure such crazy torment in the future. May the music be with you. Exactly what I plan to do. Not only do I not want to go through this again, but what assurance do I have that this part will be obsolete in the future? Buying multiples of a $4 part is cheaper than buying a new stand, and since this fits my needs perfectly, it also will save me a lot of time adapting a different stand to my needs. Notes ♫
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The modern age is the disposable age. Perhaps that needs to change, overconsumption and disposal of manufactured products is a major source of pollution. Can't help you with finding the parts but as for this comment this has been a pet peeve of mine for 20 years or more. The question is why did it happen? It's because we're all cheap and want things at the best price. If that stand was manufactured here it would probably be at least twice the cost if not triple. Ultimate started out with an American guy building them here but eventually he couldn't compete with cheap foreign manufacturers so now they're manufactured in Asia. If he was still making them here, that warranty would probably be honored. Our society online price shops everything to death with zero regard as to where it's made and those countries not caring about pollution, safety rules, health insurance, the environment and them paying almost slave wages. It's not the companies fault because all we care about is the price and in order to deliver that price most things are built somewhere other than here. We all need to wake up and pay a proper price for good quality stuff and the disposable problem goes away. Our grandparents managed to pay for chrome plated toasters that lasted 20 years if not a lifetime, we can do the same. Sorry about going off topic. Bob
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If they are $4 each, and you buy 6 of them, you bring that stand back to life at a level where it will outlive you. Possibly by a pretty fair margin. Or just buy a new stand. There can't be just one stand that will work. As has been pointed out, stuff these days is made as cheaply as possible so they can keep prices low. I mean, no offense, but you are 73 now. How long does this thing have to last?
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The modern age is the disposable age. Perhaps that needs to change, overconsumption and disposal of manufactured products is a major source of pollution. Can't help you with finding the parts but as for this comment this has been a pet peeve of mine for 20 years or more. The question is why did it happen? It's because we're all cheap and want things at the best price. <...snip...> I definitely agree. And it's the reason why we don't have local mom & pop music stores anymore. Instead, we have to either go to a big-box store with minimum wage employees who know less about music than you do, or order something on-line and wait for it. All because people wanted so save a dime on a pack of strings. Sorry, I mourn the loss of my local store, and the owner who not only knew me gave me great advice for me specifically, but let me try gear out on the gig to help me decide if it was right for me, and had a place where musicians could hang out ant talk shop. As we progress in time, so many new, better things come our way, but we also lose some things that were better. I guess that's just life. Notes ♫
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If they are $4 each, and you buy 6 of them, you bring that stand back to life at a level where it will outlive you. Possibly by a pretty fair margin. Or just buy a new stand. There can't be just one stand that will work. As has been pointed out, stuff these days is made as cheaply as possible so they can keep prices low. I mean, no offense, but you are 73 now. How long does this thing have to last? I plan on buying a dozen, as I suspect some of the old ones are getting brittle. That should last through the rest of my gigging days (I hope). When I go to the great gig in the sky, I hope to have only one left. Notes ♫
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Can you post a pic of this stand so I know what you called an "A-Frame" stand? Here I thought I was going to be your hero and we have different definitions of what an Ultimate Support A-Frame is. I have heard the stand I have called "the jungle gym", "the trapeze", "the swing set"... All I can say about durability is that I have had it since the mid 80s. As well as the 2 Ensoniq synths that rested upon it.
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The modern age is the disposable age. Perhaps that needs to change, overconsumption and disposal of manufactured products is a major source of pollution. Can't help you with finding the parts but as for this comment this has been a pet peeve of mine for 20 years or more. The question is why did it happen? It's because we're all cheap and want things at the best price. <...snip...> I definitely agree. And it's the reason why we don't have local mom & pop music stores anymore. Instead, we have to either go to a big-box store with minimum wage employees who know less about music than you do, or order something on-line and wait for it. All because people wanted so save a dime on a pack of strings. Sorry, I mourn the loss of my local store, and the owner who not only knew me gave me great advice for me specifically, but let me try gear out on the gig to help me decide if it was right for me, and had a place where musicians could hang out ant talk shop. As we progress in time, so many new, better things come our way, but we also lose some things that were better. I guess that's just life. Notes ♫ There are still a few of those type stores around, but they are a dying breed for sure. When I was about 15, I used to hang out at my local music store, Key's Music in Fort Walton Beach, FL. Mr. Keys would leave me in charge while he went to lunch next door at the little cafe. He let me play any guitar in the store for as long as I wanted, and used to give me mini lessons during the slow times (which was most of the time!). Some of the people at Guitar Center do a good job, and know what they are talking about, many don't. Manufacturers can pay some Asian company which pays their employees way, way less than our workers here want and make all the crap they need. I have no problem paying top dollar for a quality product. I am probably in the minority though. Most people want it cheap and fast. Fast is becoming a thing of the past too now though. Everything is sitting in a container on a ship waiting on somebody to give space to unload, then waiting on a truck to take it somewhere, with diesel over $5.00 or more a gallon. Talk about getting off topic!
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Can you post a pic of this stand so I know what you called an "A-Frame" stand? Here I thought I was going to be your hero and we have different definitions of what an Ultimate Support A-Frame is. I have heard the stand I have called "the jungle gym", "the trapeze", "the swing set"... All I can say about durability is that I have had it since the mid 80s. As well as the 2 Ensoniq synths that rested upon it. Here ya go.  Thanks. Notes ♫
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Where ya ago? You didn't paste the picture.
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I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Make your sound your own!
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Where ya ago? You didn't paste the picture. Actually, I did. I wonder why you couldn't see it. ????? Notes ♫
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No idea, but since Harv was able to link me to it, it's probably his fault.
That looks like the exact stand I have, but yours is black.
Whatever. You got what you need and didn't have to pay to ship this whole jungle gym down to you. It likely would have cost you more than buying the collars.
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Notes Not quite on topic I know but are you still lifting those 15" speakers on to the stands by yourself? I'm 67 and can still do it but if the stand don't go into the holes in the speakers quickly then I take strain. Kevin
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I have to lift them 4 feet, and then the crank up higher.
The speaker cabs are just under 40 pounds each.
I lift them, and Mrs. Notes guides them on the stand. I do have to remember to lift with my legs and not with my back ;D
Back to the A Frame.
Eddie, the stand looks similar, but the clamps on the silver are different from the one I have. I've gone that route before. I do appreciate the offer, though.
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That is weird as I can't see it either. I don't usually have that problem.
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Did the link to the image work for you?
It may be because Notes inserted an image on another server instead of uploading it in his reply so it would be served from the PGMusic server instead.
Just a guess, could be antivirus or browser settings hiding the image ..
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You guessed right. It's from my site.
I didn't know that could be a problem. I figured a link would display it just fine.
I don't know why that should be the problem though.
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User browser/security settings most likely. In my experience anyway Doesn't mean there is anything wrong with your link or your site, just some rule on their system. Like how Outlook defaults to not downloading images without you telling it to. 'Right click to download images' ... .. and GMail actually downloads a copy of the image to its own system, then decides whether to display it or not. lots of security stuff these days and growing exponentially. Hard to keep on top of it sometimes I mean, I suppose it could even be a simple CORS issue https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=browser+CORS+issueLink is a Google search for CORS in case this is new to you Coming to a Browser near you (soon) if it hasn't already
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
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Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Don’t miss this chance to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box setup—at a great price!
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