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I haven't been active on the Showcase the past six months, but I have been writing songs. I started a Soundclick page with examples of the songs featuring my mediocre voice. For any of you singers who are looking for material, it'd be great if you would listen to my songs and see if any are worth your recording time and effort. The link is below, there are twelve songs to start. As I mentioned, they feature my crummy pipes, so you will have to use your imagination to hear them with a quality voice. If you like them, I can send you a backing track, the sgu, lyric sheet and whatever you need to record them. The name of the Soundclick page is Tunemonger Trove https://www.soundclick.com/artist/default.cfm?bandID=1501902&content=songsThanks!
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Hi TuneMonger, I am afraid I am no professional singer and I barely qualify as a musician, but I am going to give you my opinion anyway. First of all, I think you are selling your voice short. I haven't listened to every song, but I sampled a few. In "Loveland" your voice is not bad at all. It kinds of reminds me of "Chet Baker Sings" as far as style and phrasing. I think that with a bit more practice you could do a good job with that one. Speaking from experience, those of us that think we cannot sing tend to make things worse by giving up before we even start, but in this song, at least in the first few bars, you do OK. Better than OK, in fact. In some of the other songs, you are a bit out of tune, but that's what practice and singing along with a piano (or Melodyne) is for. To me it's cheating only if you are a professional singer and get plenty of plays in Spotify, while overusing Melodyne. Otherwise for us amateurs, a little correction here and there is not a mortal sin. More worrisome is that hesitancy you display in some of your phrasing. That's because you are unsure of yourself and, at least in one song, something went wrong with your microphone/mixing. The result is a kind of distortion that may work well for a guitar, but not for voice. The hesitancy is probably also due to lack of practice. You sound tentative. But I could be wrong. Maybe this is the result of months worth of practice and I am full of it. Still, I don't think so. My suggestion would be to keep practicing your strongest songs until the sound of them makes you puke. Wait a week or so, and try again. Only this time approach the recording boot with more self assurance. Look, I have the same problem. Mine is compounded by the fact that I have a noticeable Italian accent. Some songs or genres (like blues) are completely off-limit for me. Yet I persist because I play music for fun, I can sing in tune most of the time and it makes me feel better. Plus, I have to have something filling the gaps in between guitar solos  Allow me to share a story with you. I sing while either playing the piano or guitar and I have a Mixer/PA that I use for that touch of reverb. My wife, whom is nobody's fool, lets me know precisely what I do wrong and what I do right. According to her, both my playing and my singing are getting better, but my accent is the kiss of death for some songs and I lack practice and confidence. However, the other day I arranged and sung an old Italian song that used to be my warhorse in high school. Nothing anybody in this forum would recognize, but a pretty famous song in Italy in the 70s. My wife actually got out of bed (That alone should have been breaking news on CNN) and entered my music room unnoticed. When the song was over, she told me that she thought someone else was singing and that it was the best singing performance I had ever done with her around. That made us both think. The conclusion we reached is that my unexpectedly stellar performance was due to a few factors: 1) My voice was warmed up (Red Wine works for me) 2) Despite using a MIDI backing track and my guitar, the arrangement was passable 3) I knew the lyrics by heart, rather than read them on screen while also trying to find the right chords on piano (guitar is easier for me) 4) Most importantly, I sung with confidence, something I find hard to do when I sing in English. Since then, I have been trying to find that same confidence in other songs, with mixed success, but at least I am trying. Practice helps a lot. I practice singing the melody in unison with my piano or guitar and I actually read the melody's notation. What also helps a lot is to memorize the phrasing and lay down multiple singing tracks. A bit of slicing and dicing and you can pick your best vocal performance out of several takes. I am sure you know that, but I want to make sure you know there is no shame in that at all. Most of the songs we grew up with, save for live performances, were recorded that way. I believe we share the same problem, but I also believe that you can totally sing your own songs. Focus on your best ones first. Sing them until you want to vomit each time you hear it, and I am sure you'll get better. Getting back to Chet Baker, he was not a powerful singer, but he sung with such intimacy and passion that some of the standards in his album "Chet Baker Sings" are among my absolute favorite interpretations. Good luck.
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However, the other day I arranged and sung an old Italian song that used to be my warhorse in high school. Nothing anybody in this forum would recognize, but a pretty famous song in Italy in the 70s.
My wife actually got out of bed (That alone should have been breaking news on CNN) and entered my music room unnoticed. When the song was over, she told me that she thought someone else was singing and that it was the best singing performance I had ever done with her around.
.............. FWIW - Those two paragraphs tells it all. Don't try to force yourself to sing in English. Sing in your native Italian. I would much rather hear a good vocal in ones native language then to hear someone trying to sing in another language. Some can but many can't. I can tell a good melody and vocal even if I can't understand a word.
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Byron Dickens BIAB. CbB. Mixbus 32C 8 HP Envy. Intel core i7. 16GB RAM W10. Focusrite Scarlett 18i 20. Various instruments played with varying degrees of proficiency. https://soundcloud.com/athanorsoundlabs
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Welcome to the music industry.
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TuneMonger, welcome to the forum. Your story, is very similar to mine. For me it is finding the right tune which fits my range and then doing everything I can to own it. Vocal Lessons did help a lot for me. There are things about vocals and breathing and warmup and exercises which need to be practised and learned and can help a lot. And oh, by the way alcohol is not be best way to warm up the chords.  When that is all said and done the final magic is the mix, for pitch, EQ and FX. I am not being critical, but are you doing everything you can in the mixing stage to get the best you got to give?
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Thanks conticreative, I appreciate your encouragement. I would love to hear the Italian song you sang that your wife loved, I'll bet it's special. I never stop trying to sing, if for no other reason than I have to make vocal guide tracks for my singers so they know how to sing the song. But I do think I'm getting better in some ways. In other ways, I'm getting worse. I'm 70 now and don't have the volume I used to have. I realize Tony Bennett still sang into his nineties but I often struggle to make it through lines without running out of air. I have a song on the Users Showcase Forum right now that you can listen to, it's called "Back On the Street Again." I sang the lead and it's not too bad. But even at my best, the singers on fiverr that I hire are SO MUCH BETTER than I'll ever be. I do take a lot of pride in some of my songs and I really enjoy it when I hear a really good singer interpret them. We also have some great singers on the forum that I encourage you to listen to: Floyd Jane, Greg Johnson, Deej, and many others.
Again, thanks for taking the time to listen to my songs, that was a lot of listening for you to do. Appreciate it very much. I'll give all your suggestions a try.
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Thanks for responding. My mixing skills are iffy, I'm sure a lot of my vocal efforts would sound better if I were an Ace mixer. I'm always concerned that I will make something worse instead of better. But I've gotten help on the BIAB forum and I'm sure my mixes are better now than they used to be, especially the vocals. I find EQing particularly difficult. I don't drink so no problem with alcohol affecting my performance. I don't consume dairy either, which I think helps singers. I can't afford lessons, that would be nice but it's not in the cards. Thanks again for your post. Hopefully, we will both get there vocally at some point.
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I appreciate your encouragement.
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Hi
Download free envoice one as plug in into your BIAB plug in folder. Open a new biab file and Add a midi track (piano) in one of your empty track in your mixer - click on tab plug in of the mixer choose plug in you will see envoice one. Envoice comes with 4 demo AI Singers with option to buy but all 4 are fully functional.
To learn how envoice works check youtube tutorial videos. Enjoy!
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