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I was struck by these two bits from JOM's "M.2 and PCIE" thread: Fortunately, if doing audio, you don’t need a very fast computer. Indeed. I regularly use a 10-year old laptop that has a 2nd gen i5, 16gb of ram, and a 500gb Sata SSD. No problems whatsoever. ... another thread about whether Core-i9s were worth the extra, and my own relatively modest machines (the most powerful is an i5-7400 with 8GB of RAM and conventional hard drives. And I wondered what really are the best optimisations. There are lots of layers to the question, which probably makes the answers to the question many and varied, and dependent upon what software is in use and what's being done, like off-line production or live-performance. My thinking goes like this: Any application using samples should, whilst feasible, be loading those samples into RAM, so a generous amount of RAM seems pretty much de rigueur. CPU power is power is almost certainly not an issue. I/O throughput from bulk storage might be of interest, though. Any application using modelling to create the sounds will have a modest RAM footprint, but will want a generous amount of CPU. Applications that do extensive signal processing, ditto. As a general rule, more CPU-cores should be beneficial, though the applications must use them sensibly to get benefit. I/O bottlenecks to the CPUs and to the real world may still be a major bottleneck on real throughput. In these days of mixed core types, e.g., performance-oriented and efficiency-oriented, which type(s) are the most valuable for audio? Is overclocking/turbo-mode/whatever really of value for audio, or does it really only increase the power consumption, heat and fan noise? I suspect the main contribution to performance of SSDs, of whatever type, will be in reducing load time to RAM and probably doesn't have much, if any, beneficial impact on actual audio processing. Latency has numerous factors ... time to digitise and de-digitise, time to transfer data to/from the I/O device(s), number of devices demanding data be moved, including non-audio devices like SSDs, Ethernet, graphics, and the like, time to gain access to a CPU, processing time within the CPU, DMA channels/lanes/streams/whatever-you-call-them. My own main understanding of those things comes much more from work with embedded ARM processors than with x86-derived processors. I imagine that the latter have, for some time, all come with hardware floating-point engines. On an embedded ARM, I would carefully select which core to use for which task and lock the code and data to that core. I imagine the options are rather more limited with PCs if only because the number and type of cores are a moving feast.
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Byron Dickens BIAB. CbB. Mixbus 32C 8 HP Envy. Intel core i7. 16GB RAM W10. Focusrite Scarlett 18i 20. Various instruments played with varying degrees of proficiency. https://soundcloud.com/athanorsoundlabs
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Thanks Byron,
The devblogs article is excellent, very informative and useful, though mostly addressing slightly different considerations from mine.
For me personally, less so the Sweetwater article, but that's mostly as I tend to use Linux where possible, rather than Windows, and again addressing different considerations. Most people will use Windows or Mac, though, so it's highly pertinent.
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Gordon. one reason i love refurbs soooo much is...if one buys from the right company the refurb comes already OPTIMISED,... boots fast from cold (mine boots into win in a few secs), and comes already free of junk/bloat...with lots of ports (eg usb) ive yet to have even one problem over many many years useing refurbs. nada , zilch probs. crikey , my refurb company i deal with, pre-covid and even let me test a refurb with my music software. and i just point my refurber to various pc optimisation sites. heres another optimisation site ..with vid. https://audient.com/tutorial/optimise-your-windows-pc-for-audio/right now there are a slew of i5/i7 refurbs on the market that come with 1 year warranties, are optimised, and even often include ssd..and support added ssd's.for less than a couple hundred bucks. if someone doesnt want to do a zillion traks with zillion plug ins. frankly if i were looking at pricey i9 retail pc prices , and couldnt diy a pc build i would spend under 2k with a company that specialises in building pc's for recording studios. eg a adk pro audio or studiocat or silent pc...and there are many others. now i'm gonna listen to some songs in the showcase cos , phew...i'm free of family commitments today...lol
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Thanks OM,
A useful video on optimising Windows, though I'm primarily interested in what the best tradeoffs are for the hardware.
A refurb is unlikely in my case as I'm planning this for a new very-short 2U rackmount, so I'd end up throwing quite a bit of a refurb machine away. I want as far as possible to avoid high dissipation, to help keep the fans (etc.) quiet. I'd like also, of course, to keep good value for money.
In particular I was interested in the real performance tradeoffs between RAMs, M.2 SSD and SATA SSD. In an ideal world I'd have as much and as fast RAM and M2 PCIE as was possible, but that can make for some very large budget numbers indeed. My gut still tells me that the best place to put the bulk of the money is into the RAM.
Having been looking at that, though, I'm starting to recognise that there are really too many factors to inform a simple choice. I end up also trying to account for DDR4 and DDR5 differences and how many memory slots. Even my default strategy of buying a a modest way below the top is now looking fragile. :-/
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Remember that if you go out and spend a fortune for the fastest processer available and jammed every RAM slot full that 1 year from now it will be outdated anyway. I bought 2 PCs with i7 when the i7 was the best thing out there. Now they are yesterday's (or last year's) news. So in the longer ranging future, you are chasing your tail no matter what you do.
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... you are chasing your tail no matter what you do. Absolutely! I don't buy the latest, greatest, whatever, machines for precisely that reason. I can manage just fine with 2/3 or 1/2 the performance at 1/3 or 1/4 of the cost. Some years back I replaced an old fileserver. I couldn't even get the local "recycle for the third world" people to take it. Too old and under-powered apparently. It was working just fine for me, but I wanted to reduce the power consumption ... the old machine was a 486 tower with multiple HDDs. The new one was a fanless ITX with one HDD (I back-up to a second machine, off-site). The thing one notices now is things like Core gen 7 through 12, Pentium, Celeron and Atom all available concurrently, not to mention the ever increasing digits after the 'i'. It's all a bit crazy, really. And that's all before one considers AMD, Apple and others. My DMZ and mail machine is a Raspberry Pi and despite doing all the spam and malware rejection, its not even trying -- Load average 0.00, CPU ~ 0.5% not so much "no sweat" as couch potato.
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Gordon. (btw i enjoy our exchange of ideas,) From what ive researched so far ive concluded the following for music production. 1..M.2 is a no brainer . uber fast and dirt cheap. Eg 256 gb. I’m getting 2 . 2..Selecting a processor with a single thread passmark score over 3000 is a good idea. In case you havent seen this at passmark, and for any 3rd party reading this… Heres the pass mark table.as of today. (my b’day is next week and my new studio Gadget from amazon just arrived , but my lovely wife wont let me open it…till b’day…lmao.).. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.htmlAs one can see from above the i5 cpu’s prolly offer the best price/performance ratio. my only concern with 12th gen cpu's is reading net articles re'heat'. 3..I think it is important to keep things in perspective..viz my current old i5 refurb normally boots into win (from cold) or biab or realband or reaps in around 4 secs. So i ponder how much am i gonna shave off the 4 secs. And biab stereo mixes that take 40 secs. As to performance diffs tween ddr 4 and 5 , i havent come up with anything definitive.I surmise this topic might increase more in importance if one goes bonkers on huge song Projects. As i normally do a song with max 40 traks, and often way under with asmattering of plug ins…i dont think it will affect moi. 4..For more info on cogent articles bout music production on a pc , slick audio has some interesting articles. … https://www.slickaudio.com/music-production-blog/ Also lots of interesting info on gearspace.com . loads of posts like this big long thread.eg Build a pc…..for music production.... https://gearspace.com/board/music-computers/560019-quot-today-we-build-our-studio-pc-quot-thread.html re above go to the latest dated posts. Frankly from my research for my needs a under ik dollars or 800 uk quids pc with fast i5 on the single thread passmark , 2 m.2 ssd, pcie4 or later, lots of usb and other ports and 32 gigs ram ddr4 or later will more than fill my needs…till 10 ghz cpu’s and pcie version 99 lol comes out. re 'tails' of course eddie is right. Best om
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(btw i enjoy our exchange of ideas,) Yes, me too. From what ive researched so far ive concluded the following for music production.
1..M.2 is a no brainer . uber fast and dirt cheap. Eg 256 gb. I’m getting 2 . As I mostly use Linux and BiaB in Wine needs .wav files, I need 2T for BiaB alone. That makes the SSDs a fair chunk of my budget, whatever. I am, though, weighing up the Audiophile edition as a consequence.
2..Selecting a processor with a single thread passmark score over 3000 is a good idea.
One of my candidate processors, i5-11600t is only 2885, but it's a 35W TDP processor that I could run fanless in an ultra-short 1U case if I wish. I probably won't. (my b’day is next week and my new studio.. My 70th is in a couple of weeks, but my 45th wedding anniversary is the week before (bad planning, that!), so I must be patient. Actually I'm still waiting for the short 2U cases to arrive anyway.... ... So i ponder how much am i gonna shave off the 4 secs. I'm not too bothered about boot time. I often have a pause that long at the bootloader so I can choose which operating system to boot. I am quite interested in the time for Biab and/or Reaper to load up a project, but if I halve the 5G/second I'll be pretty happy. Frankly from my research for my needs a under 1k dollars or 800 uk quids Sadly it's 1k UKP, too, as most things here get a 20% tax stuck on top. Incidentally, it isn't easy to tell from cpubenchmark.net whether the results accumulated are baseline or "turbo" or overclocked. I think they just collate results from end-user tests, so I suspect many CPUs are running in the faster modes. I don't want to do that, which makes me wonder whether, for me, there's actually a benefit in using a 12-series CPU. I'm suspecting that I'll likely end up with an i5-11600, 32G RAM and 2x2T M.2 SSDs. 64G RAM if I can find a suitable board that will take more DDRs. Most seem to take only two.
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My 70th is in a couple of weeks, but my 45th wedding anniversary is the week before (bad planning, that!), so I must be patient. Actually I'm still waiting for the short 2U cases to arrive anyway... Wife 2.0 was born Oct 19th. We were married Oct 21st. And that was also around the wonderful jeweler, florist and candy business created holiday of Sweetest Day. Fortunately we didn't make it to our 1st anniversary... (It was euthanasia, trust me.)
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Gordon. That i5 11600 …has better specs than the ‘t’ version on passmark. At 18257//3303…but of course the tdp is more of course. Frankly i’m fed up with laptops due to expandability constraints i run into vs desktops as i said before. Been there , done that. Just some more thoughts …. What really surprises me is apples market approach. Right now they have a superb opportunity to make serious inroads into the win pc market and possibly bring it to its knees with the super duper m series of cpu’s. But from reading articles on the net apparently apple maybe are more interested in the phone market rather than computers. Also it seems they are protecting their higher priced computers above the base mini. Which has limited expandability etc. Crikey ive seen el cheapo refurb win pc’s with way more ports as just one example. Ive seen this strategy play out before in a ‘products role’ in a previous life in a tech company. It didnt work, ..due to severe competition. Of course i told snr mgt we would have probs… They didnt listen so i left ..and within a few years…you can guess the rest… This was one reason (and others like never seeing my wife and family) i got out of working for a tech company. Yes the money is groovy but if ones soul isnt happy …..etc So many tech companies try various strategies…but the wider publict isnt ‘stupid’ . In summary If i was in a product role at apple i would be pushing mgt hard to revamp the base mini with its m cpu. Allow up to 64 gigs, and up to 3 m2 ssd on board and add more ports to it. All for just under 1k…i’d prolly get fired…lol… i'd be all over such a mini. but as you know , the one i’m ‘rooting for is the PI (with chips and maybe a knickerbocker glory desert for afters…lmao.)... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knickerbocker_gloryI reckon you prolly will ok with your stated i5 config with lots of ram etc. But, as always 2023 will prolly bring more new pc’s we might have wished we’d waited for. i reckon whatever year i get a new pc...next year i'll wish i had waited. Best om
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The "T" version is specially selected for low energy consumption and is partially throttled to help achieve that low TDP. 35W TDP is the most the 1U fanless case can handle and that's why I'll likely end up not going that route.
Apart from a few very special versions, laptops have always been significantly constrained. It just a fact of trying to get suitable bits into a compact box at a reasonable price.
Apple don't like to compete head-to-head with Microsoft and the various PC-makers. It's "race to the bottom" price strategy and Apple prefer to market as "premium". Also the end of the PC market has been predicted for a long time now, because tablet and 'phone sales surged and PC sales fell. But there are still many tasks for which a tablet really isn't suitable (e.g., trying to run a big CAD system of a tablet would be ludicrous; multiple 24" screen are typical).
Yes I'll be fine with whatever path I finally take. I'm just reluctant to waste hundreds of beer tokens on bits that don't really make a significant difference. I don't really want to go above 65W TDP as that would start to take me into fan noise in a small-ish 2U.
I use a small, old-ish notepad PC when I want compact portability (like on the boat, mostly I use headphones, I have a Q49 contoller-keyboard on board); I have a Focusrite Scarlet (and wooden case for the notepad+scarlett+PSUs) if I want better sound quality and still compact. My "stage portable" is a 6U Gator flight-case, and that's where the 2U PC goes. The preset PC in that is a mini-tower screwed into a 2U shelf, but that's a horrible hack.
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I’m more a occasional rum and pepsi or tequila sunrise or newcastle brown beer bloke.
Yeh i know , my mates say ‘girlie drinks’ Lol
Yep i see where your coming from and reasoning. Its darn tough as the tech changes.
Notice intels strategy ? apple are now using their own silicon and ‘bingo’ intel brings out the affordable i3 12300 with a nice single thread passmark of 3673. Maybe giving some people pause in going to apple ? but 13 has a high tdp it seems.
You said ‘ But there are still many tasks for which a tablet really isn't suitable’.
Totally agree. Much as i like the cheap amazon fire i couldnt use it for applications that demand lots of ‘oomph’. We might see it in the future as tech advances further.
Ive looked at the ipads with the superb apple m cpu, but once again from what i see limited expandability. Cant put 3 m2 ssd in em for example.
I will give huge kudos to one great product including the responsive tech support thats cranked me after my initial ‘scepticism’ and thats my audient evo interface.
Just rock solid asio drivers/very low latency…and v nice mic preamps, and the smartgain feature that means one dont overload into the daw.
For me it was initially ‘ok i’ll take a chance and use for a short time till the tech gets even better at the low end and expecting possible probs’.
Not one prob.
Multi client and works a treat with my music apps. Believe me..it take a lot to impress me.
I mean i would love a high end interface like a RME with their sterling rep. or also the apollo but when gifted musicians often are lucky to make money out of their songs via streaming (20 quid a year ??) i really cant justify.
I've listened to audio examples from many interfaces//ada and the difference tween high end and low end is narrow imho.
Remember when one would buy a hifi for a few quid and it was junk ? but then if you paid a few hundred quid it was very nice ? and got you 98 percent there compared to spending lots lots more moolah ? same deal with interfaces imho.
So i’m hanging tight right now waiting for something to rock my world.
Happiness gordon.
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Ah, yes, my HiFi was never cheap and occasionally eye-watering. But my big Tannoy Dual-Concentrics are around 45 years old now. They did sterling service in the 70s/80s when I ran my disco, helped along by separate big folded-horn bass bins and ceramic tweeters.
I renewed the cones about 15 years ago as the roll-surrounds were disintegrating. They're still in use everyday and will still take the breath away with the wick turned up. With all those years of use, they've actually turned out to be pretty good value. Sadly my ears have fared less well :-(.
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Gordon. Ah yes tannoys. Groovy. Respect… you lucky bloke lol.… Ive used em in studios. My dad loved tannoys also For some history (in case others are reading this…) https://musictech.com/reviews/studio-icons-tannoy/As the article says most of the uk top studios used em 50’s//60’s//70’s etc. Todays speakers are wimpy imho. Cant crank em like old voice of the theatre lol. Ive been in the market for new monitors for awhile..but nothing cranks me up (thats affordable )...sigh cept ADAMS for some reason i find difficult to explain. Prolly the ribbon/heil tweeters….heres a yt vid from adam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv1PgxMy6BUHeres Dirt cheap diy speakers using ‘audio exciters’....i heard an example playing back classic music that was pretty nice given the silly low cost. Great diy video on yt. Impressive clarity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGzNkUmPdXcalso at the uber low end..dayton audio stereo cheapo. https://www.amazon.ca/Dayton-Audio-B652-...01181&psc=1dunno how good they are. seen slew of positive reveiws. bout 100 quid in quids. unpowered. Lots of fun…lol. om
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Tannoy are still around and I think one can still buy their big speakers, but I think they're in the "you have to ask for them" class. I had a friend who had a pair of proper GRF Autographs. One needs a big room for those. About 5ft high and 4ft wide.
The big Tannoys are also in the "if you have to ask the price, you can't afford them" class.
My replacement cone assemblies alone were £350. But as I said, they're now about 45 years old and still amazing.
iPod killed Hi-Fi, IMHO.
This has gone way, way, off-topic.
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Re…’way, off-topic.’
So sorry mate. I’m in a high state of elation after going thru medical stuff i wont bore you with. Oh the joys of getting older…lol
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So sorry mate. I’m in a high state of elation after going thru medical stuff i wont bore you with. Oh the joys of getting older…lol
No apology needed to me. I was every bit as guilty of going off topic. I was told many times "don't get old", but it appears I didn't listen.
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Ok, one last off topic ............. No apology needed to me. I was every bit as guilty of going off topic.
I was told many times "don't get old", but it appears I didn't listen. I don't mind getting old. Its just falling apart as I do that's hurting me!
I get most of my exercise these days from shaking my head in disbelief.
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Its just falling apart as I do that's hurting me! I'm not falling apart too badly yet, but it's definitely starting.
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XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
The XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAKs special offers are now available until August 31st at 11:59pm PDT!
Ready to take your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 experience to the next level? Now’s the perfect time! Expand your style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs—packed with a wide variety of genres to inspire your next musical creation.
What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?
XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-9 includes 900 styles!
Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). With over 3,500 styles (and 35 MIDI styles) included in Xtra Styles PAKs 1-20, the possibilities are endless!
Get the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Get Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 19 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Don’t miss this chance to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box setup—at a great price!
Mac 2025 Special Upgrade Offers Extended Until August 15th!
It's not too late to upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® and save! We've extended our special until August 15, 2025!
We've added many major new features to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®, including advanced AI tools like the amazing BB Stem Splitter and AI Lyrics Generator, as well as VST3 plugin support, and Equalize Temp. Plus, there’s a new one-stop MIDI Patches Picker with over 1,100 MIDI patches to choose from, all neatly categorized by GM numbers. The MultiPicker Library is enhanced with tabs for the SongPicker, MIDI Patch Picker, Chord Builder, AI Lyrics Generator, and Song Titles Browser, and the tabs are organized into logical groups. The Audiophile Edition is enhanced with FLAC files , which are 60% smaller than AIFF files while maintaining identical audio quality, and now ships on a fast 1TB SSD, and much more!
Check out all the new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® here:
Purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac during our special to save up to 50% off your upgrade purchase and receive a FREE BONUS PAK of amazing new Add-ons. These include the 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK, Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana, Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes, MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano, Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7, Playable RealTracks Set 4, RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark, and more!
Upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and add 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and 20 RealStyles, FLAC Files for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks, Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster, MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster, Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8, and RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe.
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs!
New RealTracks Released with Band-in-a-Box 2025!
We’ve expanded the Band-in-a-Box® RealTracks library with 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 449-467) across Jazz, Blues, Funk, World, Pop, Rock, Country, Americana, and Praise & Worship—featuring your most requested styles!
Jazz, Blues & World (Sets 449–455):
These RealTracks includes “Soul Jazz” with Neil Swainson (bass), Mike Clark (drums), Charles Treadway (organ), Miles Black (piano), and Brent Mason (guitar). Enjoy “Requested ’60s” jazz, classic acoustic blues with Colin Linden, and more of our popular 2-handed piano soloing. Plus, a RealTracks first—Tango with bandoneon, recorded in Argentina!
Rock & Pop (Sets 456–461):
This collection includes Disco, slap bass ‘70s/‘80s pop, modern and ‘80s metal with Andy Wood, and a unique “Songwriter Potpourri” featuring Chinese folk instruments, piano, banjo, and more. You’ll also find a muted electric guitar style (a RealTracks first!) and “Producer Layered Guitar” styles for slick "produced" sound.
Country, Americana & Praise (Sets 462–467):
We’ve added new RealTracks across bro country, Americana, praise & worship, vintage country, and songwriter piano. Highlights include Brent Mason (electric guitar), Eddie Bayers (drums), Doug Jernigan (pedal steel), John Jarvis (piano), Glen Duncan (banjo, mandolin & fiddle), Mike Harrison (electric bass) and more—offering everything from modern sounds to heartfelt Americana styles
Check out all the 202 New RealTracks (in sets 456-467)
And, if you are looking for more, the 2025 49-PAK (for $49) includes an additional 20 RealTracks with exciting new sounds and genre-spanning styles. Enjoy RealTracks firsts like Chinese instruments (guzheng & dizi), the bandoneon in an authentic Argentine tango trio, and the classic “tic-tac” baritone guitar for vintage country.
You’ll also get slick ’80s metal guitar from Andy Wood, modern metal with guitarist Nico Santora, bass player Nick Schendzielos, and drummer Aaron Stechauner, more praise & worship, indie-folk, modern/bro country with Brent Mason, and “Songwriter Americana” with Johnny Hiland.
Plus, enjoy user-requested styles like Soul Jazz RealDrums, fast Celtic Strathspey guitar, and Chill Hop piano & drums!
The 2025 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2025 49-PAK!
Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac!
With your version 2025 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Or upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 33 new RealTracks and 65+ new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 29 new RealTracks and 45+ new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
- Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
- Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
- Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
- Playable RealTracks Set 4
- RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
- SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
- 128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
- Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
- Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
- RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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