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Is there a way to just regenerate part of a song or chorus (while preserving the parts you like)?
I've found that in a typical 3 chorus song I'll frequently wish I could change just one chorus, or part of one. Is this possible?
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Prado
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Paritial track regeneration is a feature of Realband. BIAB is not versatile in this regard. Have a look at the RB tutorial video here and you'll see what I mean. The file you need is called "Introduction to Realband". Regards, Noel
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Thanks Noel96!
But, kind of disappointing.
I'm only interested in midi generation, so I haven't even bothered to install RealBand.
But, I think I read or saw a thread somewhere about exporting midi data from RealBand ... so, is this true?
In other words, once I do my arranging in RealBand, will I be able to export a full midi file with drums on separate tracks just as in BIAB?
Thanks in advance.
Prado
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What makes you think Real Band doesn't do midi regeneration using Biab styles? It most certainly does, that's one of the very big reasons to use it. I know it's very easy to confuse Real Tracks with the midi part since PG makes a very big deal about using the RT's. If you have a good sounding midi synth like the Ketron SD2, the Roland Sonic Cell or any other good synth, those midi tracks can sound almost as good as the RT's but you have all the control that midi gives you.
In RB, all you do is first pick a style, right click any empty track, pick midi, pick the instrument and generate the track. You can then do the same thing using the next empty track but try a different style using the same instrument. Doing this you can create multiple versions of the same part like the guitar. You might like one style for the verse, another style for the chorus, another for a bridge etc, etc. No problem at all if you only want to regenerate just part of a song but keep the rest because each track stands on it's own. They don't regenerate automatically. You can do this using all 48 tracks if you want. Then when you're finished tracking all your experiments, start picking and choosing the parts you want to keep and delete the rest. You can create some very cool stuff this way. Much more flexible that Biab alone. All this works using the RT/RD's too so you can mix several RT's or RD's along with midi tracks. Remember, everything is on it's own track including separate midi drum kit parts if that's what you want. Real Drums are a stereo file so you can't separate those.
Real Band is PG Music's way of addressing all these issues with Biab. They decided it was better to do it using a separate program instead of adding more and more stuff to Biab. Biab is complex enough already and is designed for a somewhat different user.
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Jazzm ...
I don't think one way or the other because I'm barely getting into BIAB and, as noted, have yet to install RB.
So, my question was probably not as focused as it might have been.
Let me ask it three different ways.
Is there a midi track underlying/ controlling each Real Track? So, once an arrangement is made and I'd like to export it to a DAW but not use the audio ... for what ever reason ... will there be a midi track duplicating the notes of the Real Track there to export with the rest of the midi tracks?
Are you saying I can simply use all the styles and other features of BIAB, forego the Real Tracks, just do midi tracks and export a midi file just as in BIAB?
Finally, with respect to midi, where would I find a discussion/ description/ comparison of the two programs only as far as midi functionality goes?
FWIW ... my working mode (anticipated anyway!) is to do a basic arrangement in BIAB (or, depending on the above answers, now RB?), then transport the midi file into Cubase and use my softsynths and hardsynths to create my audio.
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Let me ask it three different ways.
Is there a midi track underlying/ controlling each Real Track? So, once an arrangement is made and I'd like to export it to a DAW but not use the audio ... for what ever reason ... will there be a midi track duplicating the notes of the Real Track there to export with the rest of the midi tracks?
Are you saying I can simply use all the styles and other features of BIAB, forego the Real Tracks, just do midi tracks and export a midi file just as in BIAB?
Finally, with respect to midi, where would I find a discussion/ description/ comparison of the two programs only as far as midi functionality goes?
FWIW ... my working mode (anticipated anyway!) is to do a basic arrangement in BIAB (or, depending on the above answers, now RB?), then transport the midi file into Cubase and use my softsynths and hardsynths to create my audio.
Prado
First part, a qualified maybe, the Real Tracks are strictly prerecorded audio files, the midi is only for notation but some clever people here have talked about a way to isolate those midi notes to use as a standalone midi track. I haven't done that but I think it can work. Perhaps someone who knows about that can chime in here.
Second part, the discussion of differences is right here in the forums, just read both the Biab and RB forums, it will become clearer. Basically RB is a standard audio/midi DAW that PG has added most of the Biab functionality to so you can not only do basic DAW stuff like vocal/instrument live recording and midi recording plus mastering the final product but you also can create Biab tracks using different styles. You will find that adding even one Biab style track to some prerecorded tracks you may have already done can sound really good.
Third part, no need to export anything into Cubase, RB will do pretty much everything Cubase will. Of course we all have our comfort zones and if you're very familiar with how Cubase works, fine but again RB does the same stuff because it's a full fledged DAW just like Cubase is.
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TY Bob ...
Got no desire to learn a new DAW ... but two last (liars always tell the truth) questions.
Which takes me back to where I started.
So, if I import the BIAB arrangement midi file into RB, does it stay a midi file, or does RB automatically turn it into realtracks audio? (Or if you import the sgu or mgu can you chose an option as to whether or not you want it converted to realtracks?)
Since, when I think about it I can't imagine you can't bring in a midi file one way or the other, can I also do regeneration of part of midi file in RB as they show doing it with a RT file in the video?
Prado
PS ... I'm still disappointed that they didn't include the partial regeneration feature in BIAB!
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...I'm only interested in midi generation...
Ahh, that's a different story 
In BIAB, you can partially regenerate MIDI using both the Soloist and Melodist.
SOLOIST: I do it by unfolding the song, selecting the bars in which I want the solo changed, click the yellow Soloist icon, and choose the "Custom" option from the box that pops up. I'd imagine that this can be done with a folded song by choosing the "Middle Chorus" - I haven't tried this, though.
MELODIST: The process is similar to the above but you click the "Part Of Song" check box when the pop up dialogue appears.
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Well, why didn't you say so in the first place!
LOL
However, in the miscommunciation I've learned a lot about RealBand. I can see how from time to time I might want to use it to generate a solo to import to Cubase.
And, I'm going to assume ... until I get around to trying it later tonight or tomorrow ... that you can tailor what you describe above by freezing all the tracks except the ones you want changed.
Thanks much, Noel and Bob
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Well, why didn't you say so in the first place!
I guess it wasn't quite clear in mind exactly what you were originally asking. That being said, though, Realband is really worth getting the hang of. It's a powerhouse of control over music arranging and producing.
Glad it's worked out for you,
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Prado;
You can open a BIAB file in Real Band and regenerate tracks or portions of tracks in the original BIAB format, then save as a midi file. No Problem.
When you open the BIAB file the first eight tracks become BIAB tracks. You don't need to use real tracks or audio unless you wish. But you have the flexibility to regenerate individual tracks or portions. That's one of the features.
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So, if I import the BIAB arrangement midi file into RB, does it stay a midi file, or does RB automatically turn it into realtracks audio? (Or if you import the sgu or mgu can you chose an option as to whether or not you want it converted to realtracks?).....
PS ... I'm still disappointed that they didn't include the partial regeneration feature in BIAB!
You are still not quite getting what Real Tracks are, it can be confusing to a noob. Since you're familiar with Cubase, you know what an audio track is, right? That's what a RT is, an audio track just like any other.
Nothing automatically turns a midi or any other type of track into a Real Track. You have to decide you want to use a RT instead of midi, set up the track for that, pick the actual RT you want to use and then generate it. It does not somehow happen automatically.
A RT is a regular audio track, that's it. The cool thing about these two programs is that audio file will get chopped up in order to follow the chord changes you set up in the chord grid. Biab and RB use the same chord grid. No other program anywhere can do that. Looping programs like Acid Pro can change tempo's or pitch shift but that's nothing like what Biab or RB does with a RT or RD audio file.
Your last point about being disappointed about the partial regeneration is one of the reasons RB was created in the first place, it addresses that point. Biab can't do everything but maybe they'll add that in a future version.
Something else to know about is you don't even have to create your song first in Biab then open it in RB, RB will generate it from scratch just like Biab will using the first 8 tracks. If you don't need that, you can click a box that turns those tracks into regular DAW tracks. That's what we all mean about RB being flexible. It will do what you want.
There are a few things Biab does that RB can't but only a few. A big one is midi soloists. That's different from RT soloists. RB does RT soloists but you need Biab to generate a midi solo using one of the hundreds of midi soloist templates available. There's a few other things but I don't want to recreate the help file here.
Get familiar with RB, you won't be disappointed I promise you. It uses all your synths, all your DXi/VST effects and the RT/RD's and all the Biab functions plus live recording of your vocals or instruments. That's a pretty hot setup for creating a song.
Bob
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Thanks again, to all ... my RB vision is about 20/60 right now, but I've learned enough to be intrigued. Probably off to the RB optometrist shortly.
FWIW, Bob. I got the idea about the conversion of a BIAB song (not a midi file) to audio, because in the online video it shows importing a BIAB file and watching it turn into audio. They just show it happening and don't make any comment about whether or not that's an option.
I've learned a lot ... even if my question took me far afield ... and I appreciate it.
Having fairly thorughly learned Acid Pro 6, Abelton Live 6, Reaper and Cubase, the bad news is the mind is boogled. The good news is that it becomes pretty easy to learn a new one when you understand what functions are supposed to be there. So, when inspiration beckons I'll get around to giving RB a whirl.
I will say that after 7 years of mucking about, and with all due respect and no desire to flame anything, I can't imagine anything surpassing Cubase for functionality, stability, VST suport and ASIO compatibility. Given that I have fairly high end sound cards, an echo indigo and/ or echo layla 24 on a cardbus on my laptop and an RME Multiface II in the studio, and including trying with ASIO4All, that I have been totally unable to run BIAB under ASIO on either one (as I've posted elsewhere here looking for help) I already cringe at the thought of getting deep into RB with a big project and coming upon a stonewall or crash. So I'm content to roll out the MME drivers to do the midi work in BIAB ... and maybe some similar 'cherry pickin' with RB. As Mac said in my thread about ASIO issues, "Well, it works for me." But, sadly, not for me.
Regards to all.
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Don't forget that you can change a Midi Style at any bar in BIAB from the "Bar Settings". Right Click in the Bars Window and select Bar Settings or use the short cut F5.
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