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Originally Posted By: Byron Dickens
*sigh*

And here I was under the impression that Australia is an English speaking country....

Actually, what we speak is rather closer to English than your own version.
You can assert your exasperation and "free spiritedness" all you care to.
Look at the time line of our particular strand of the thread, at who wrote and what promoted what response.
I'm sure many folk with comprehend your communication, agree with your position and provide the confirmation bias you seek.
For my part: I'm not attempting to disabuse you of your opinion. I'll attempt to enjoy the same privilege.


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Music is a man-made art. Just the act of making music is to conform to musical form/structure, comfortable progressions, conventional melodies & harmonies.

Suggesting the OP just "make stuff up that sounds good to you" is stunningly handicapping. One can only create from one's own understanding. If you don't understand what music is, you can't create anything that can be called music.

Knowledge is never wasted. Do you tell your kids to not bother learning grammar and vocabulary, that they can learn to speak and commuicate better by being creative and making up their own language? I wonder how you'd feel if your doctor felt this way concerning his area of expertise?


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Originally Posted By: Funkifized
Music is a man-made art. Just the act of making music is to conform to musical form/structure, comfortable progressions, conventional melodies & harmonies.

Suggesting the OP just "make stuff up that sounds good to you" is stunningly handicapping. One can only create from one's own understanding. If you don't understand what music is, you can't create anything that can be called music.

Knowledge is never wasted. Do you tell your kids to not bother learning grammar and vocabulary, that they can learn to speak and commuicate better by being creative and making up their own language? I wonder how you'd feel if your doctor felt this way concerning his area of expertise?


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Most of the time, the bar and beat pattern is going to go 4 bars to the line, 4 lines of the verse, 4 lines of the chorus. Pretty much just as Band in a Box is set up to receive. The chord changes will be some variation of the 1-4-5. Go to Chordie to see how your favorites are structured in terms of chord progressions. The root (1) is the home base. (2) induces what some call tension. (5) acts to resolve back to the base (1) This is a simplified outline, meant to steer the writer in the right direction. Working with it, find loads of technical information under the category of "How Popular Songs are Structured."

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Actually, what we speak is rather closer to English than your own version.

That's distinctly moot. There is a good argument that American English has in many ways diverged less from the English of the early settlers than 'English' English has, the latter strongly influenced by imported language from other cultures, notably from India, but also from America and Australia and African Caribbean and so on.

Australian English was quite strongly influenced by Irish migrants.

The consequence is that it's hard so say which of those dialects is closest to 'true' English, whatever that might be.

We should celebrate both the differences and the similarities.


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Good video.

I'm reminded rather of that saying "Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the adherence of fools".

And a quote from Seal from Rick Beato's analysis of "Kiss From A Rose":
"Nobody told me I couldn't do that".


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Actually, what we speak is rather closer to English than your own version.

That's distinctly moot. There is a good argument that American English has in many ways diverged less from the English of the early settlers than 'English' English has, the latter strongly influenced by imported language from other cultures, notably from India, but also from America and Australia and African Caribbean and so on.

Australian English was quite strongly influenced by Irish migrants.

The consequence is that it's hard so say which of those dialects is closest to 'true' English, whatever that might be.

We should celebrate both the differences and the similarities.



Just on the East Coast of the USA... you have the New England accent, the Boston accent, the New York City accent, the South Jersey accent, the southern accent, and the Georgia southern accent just for starters.... wait, I forgot the Outter Banks High tiders accent.... if you know English, there's no guarantee that you will be able to converse with some of those.... The High tiders are probably the hardest of the bunch to understand as it comes from the Irish or Scottish roots mixed into English.....


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There are dialects just in England to which my ears take a short while to adapt.


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Here in the UK you travel a short distance and you will find a very different dialect.

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