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As mainly an acoustic folky i was a little curious about NEW ACOUSTIC RTs for folk, bluegrass, Celtic, ethnic, percussion etc, and the new 2023 Audiouphile releases.
IMO, and after a listen through the demos it seems that most stuff is again a lot of the same poppy-rocky material as so many other old RTs; distorted Electric guitar sounds and drums again.

No acoustic bass, and especially NO new Andy Leftwich material!, Latter made some great universal, unsurpassed and very useful mandolin and fiddle RTs. full of clever riffs of a quality i never experienced with most other acoustic RTs .. (IMO!).

I still miss a good set of Irish style backing bazookas with the lighter sound of a greek-style 3 string round belly instrument as played by the likes of Alec Finn and Donal Lunny. Let alone uilleann pipes.

So I think i'll let Audiophile be for this round, as not much there really interests me personally, but maybe some of you can make me change my mind?
A good friend and long time BIAB user i talked into buying Audiophile 2 years ago feels the same way ..... F

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IMHO, the XtraPAKs and XPro4 have the better RTs - those are worth getting for sure. I am underwhelmed by the other new RTs with the 2023
UltraPAK, to be honest.


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IMHO, the XtraPAKs and XPro4 have the better RTs - those are worth getting for sure. I am underwhelmed by the other new RTs with the 2023
UltraPAK, to be honest.

I'm confused by this statement...
I thought the "XtraPAKs and XPro4" were just new RealStyles that used existing RealTracks.


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Yep, i find the whole caboose quite confusing. And are those XtraPRO styles like 4 with audiophile RTs included?

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Yeah, these X* styles are supposed to be " fresh new RealStyles ".

Maybe someone can clarify?

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After using and upgrading BIAB for many many years now I find that this years RT's offered are not as great as what I have seen in the past.

Probably because my music tastes are more in the Bluegrass, Acoustic Blues, Gypsy Jazz and Traditional Jazz genres.

I do however, prefer the XtraPAKS and XtraPRO offering's better then the new RT's.

I guess I have the entire year to sample all 10,605 styles I now have. The new ones will probably grow on me as they usually do.

Now, what do we want to see in the 2024 offering? Too early to ask?





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Yep, i find the whole caboose quite confusing. And are those XtraPRO styles like 4 with audiophile RTs included?


I don't thinks so. Here's what's in the audiphile version:

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After using and upgrading BIAB for many many years now I find that this years RT's offered are not as great as what I have seen in the past.

Probably because my music tastes are more in the Bluegrass, Acoustic Blues, Gypsy Jazz and Traditional Jazz genres.

I do however, prefer the XtraPAKS and XtraPRO offering's better then the new RT's.


My sentiments exactly.


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Originally Posted By: jcland

I do however, prefer the XtraPAKS and XtraPRO offering's better then the new RT's.

Again, I find this statement confusing.
Did you mean, you prefer the XtraPAKS and XtraPRO offering's better then the new RT's demos, or associated style sets?

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Originally Posted By: jcland

I do however, prefer the XtraPAKS and XtraPRO offering's better then the new RT's.

Again, I find this statement confusing.
Did you mean, you prefer the XtraPAKS and XtraPRO offering's better then the new RT's demos, or associated style sets?


That is exactly what I was saying but then again it is 100% subjective depending on the musical taste of the listener. Other's will more then likely absolutely love the RT's over the XtraPak and XtraPro sounds. Now don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with any of them, it is just that my taste in music does not venture that much into other areas like synth, pop, new world, new age, disco, etc...

Nothing wrong with them, just not my forte.


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Originally Posted By: jcland

I do however, prefer the XtraPAKS and XtraPRO offering's better then the new RT's.

Again, I find this statement confusing.
Did you mean, you prefer the XtraPAKS and XtraPRO offering's better then the new RT's demos, or associated style sets?


Other's will more then likely absolutely love the RT's over the XtraPak and XtraPro sounds.


I'm sorry, but I still don't understand your comparison between "RT's", and "XtraPak and XtraPro sounds".




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Okay, someone probably will correct me if I'm wrong:

Look at X**** (whatever) styles the same way as you would look at User styles. Yes, X* styles are a based on existing styles. Those existing styles are used to come up with completely "new" styles (same as with User styles).

I think what we're saying is that more thought and originality has been applied to those X* styles. Better arrangements, instrumentation, etc. than those "regular/new" styles that cam with whatever version of BIAB 2023 one bought.

Now, this is just my interpretation as to what X* styles are and why they are more appealing to some of us. Someone else may weigh in to either correct me or elaborate even more.


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Originally Posted By: MikeK

I think what we're saying is that more thought and originality has been applied to those X* styles. Better arrangements, instrumentation, etc. than those "regular/new" styles that cam with whatever version of BIAB 2023 one bought.


Yes, this makes sense to me, and is what I suspected you meant when I asked the above question;
Did you mean, you prefer the XtraPAKS and XtraPRO offering's better then the new RT's demos, or associated style sets?

BTW, I tend to agree, to some extent... but to me, some are gems, and some are just more gravel.


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Originally Posted By: MikeK

I think what we're saying is that more thought and originality has been applied to those X* styles. Better arrangements, instrumentation, etc. than those "regular/new" styles that cam with whatever version of BIAB 2023 one bought.


Yes, this makes sense to me, and is what I suspected when I asked the above question;
Did you mean, you prefer the XtraPAKS and XtraPRO offering's better then the new RT's demos, or associated style sets?

BTW, I tend to agree, to some extent... but to me, some are gems, and some are just more gravel.


Glad, we're on the same page! smile


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I'm sorry, but I still don't understand your comparison between "RT's", and "XtraPak and XtraPro sounds".


IF I have been reading this right, the created Xtra & Xpro Paks sound BETTER that the RealTracks that come with the new release is what is being said....the Created Mixes using previous styles DO sound more "Alive" than the new RT's IMHO....

The only Xtra or Xpro Paks that I can find that DO come with NEW RealTracks are Xpro 3 & 4....so i will assume that is what is meant (and we all know what happens when one Assumes! LOL! )


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Let me take a crack at this.

In BIAB, there are RealTracks (and RealDrums), and there are styles. Styles you buy, or styles you can make yourself, are just collections of specific RealTracks and RealDrums that are given a convenient name. If you only use RealTracks and RealDrums, you don't really need styles at all; they are just easier to have and search for.

For MIDI, the style does do a lot more by way of instructions. However, if I use a collection of only RealTracks, no MIDI, then a polka style, Chopin, a blues, or a modern jazz style will sound the same in that song IF you select the same RealTrack(s) by number and use the same tempo and key signature.

The 'regular' BIAB packages come with lots of RealTracks and styles. The more you pay for a package (Pro, UltraPak), the more you get of each, since the base program is the same.

Then there are EDITED 'Bonus 0 or 49-packages' each year offered for extra money, and these also give you BOTH additional styles and additional RealTracks.

The quality of the RealTracks (the question about 'better') from any source is the same as the others they produce. If someone likes or doesn't like how something sounds, it's their opinion. The style likewise is just a curated collection of RealTracks, so it has no 'quality' and you are free to like their choice of how these tracks sound together, or not. If you only like some of the style, swap out the tracks you don't like to create and save your own style.

The audiophile version differs because the RealTracks and RealDrums are uncompressed, but in all other respects, things work the same. If the subject of the Audiophile version interests you, read my article on this in Tips and Tricks: https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=378939#Post378939



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Then there are 'Xtra' packages each year offered for extra money, and these also give you BOTH additional styles and additional RealTracks.


"additional RealTracks"
Matt, are you sure about that?

I know that some "additional RealTracks" are offered with the "Bonus 49 Pac", but I'm not aware of any "additional RealTracks" included in the Xtra Styles or XPro Packs.
am I wrong?


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I'm not certain, but I think you are correct. I was referring to the 0 and 49-paks and will go back and edit that for clarity. Thanks.


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The XtraStyles do not include any additional RealTracks because as long as you have the 2022 UltraPAK from last year you'll have all the RealTracks you need.

The 2023 XProPAK 4 does include some RealTracks and RealDrums that are not included in the 2023 or earlier XProPAK. This is from the XProPAK4 installer file:
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I thought I had seen that but wasn't sure. Good work, Jim.


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