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First newbie's post gals & guys smile

I have until 23:59:59 tonight to decide if I buy my first BIAB package (probably the Pro version)

I know there is Playable Realtracks in the Free Bonus PAK 2023 because of the "Playable RealTracks Set 2" written in the description!


I have ask the following questions to support, he did not know the answers!

1st: Are there Playable Realtracks in the BIAB 2023: If so, how many and in which styles?

2nd: Are there Playable Realtracks in the 2023 49-PAK: If so, how many and in which styles?

3rd: Is there a way to buy the "Playable RealTracks Set 1" or does it come with every BIAB 2023 versions by default?


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Those are fair questions. Surprized that support did not have a clear answer.

If they don't know, who does... but here is my input based on having all that are currently available.

Right now there are likely as many as 120 - 180 Playable Realtrack Sounds (PRS). Here is a picture of just those set up for Acostic Guitars. These have been made avialable over the past two year releases (2021 and 2022). I would have thought that these are now part of the "core" BIAB sounds which maybe enhanced with each new release. So a core purchase should get you all, IMO. Otherwise, how would they ever sell this feature if you could not get the sounds to use it? The current avialabilty may be sufficient to handly the need, after all we got by with what we had in 2021 before the additions in 2022.

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Hi. Welcome to the forum. I think I know some of these answers, but this is a user forum and we don't speak for the company.

A couple of thoughts:

There is a 30-day money back guarantee.

Historically, the December sale prices have been extended well into January. No guarantees, but I would not be surprised if this practice continues.


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09\20\2022 - Playable Real Tracks: which ones

Andrew-PG Music Quote:

"The answer is that ALL RealTracks are playable, provided that you have installed (a) Sforzando plugin (which is installed along with the main BB program), (b) HiQ Instruments, and (c) Playable RealTracks." <snip> "It (Playable RealTracks) works whether or not the RT has RealCharts. You can still add PRT notes even if there isn't existing notation. Sorry for the confusion. If it DOES have notation it's true that you could edit existing notes / convert them to PRT notes which might be useful in certain cases. As Tobin points out in the video though, the RealCharts aren't necessarily meant to be heard, since they are a transcription rather than what was actually played.

The drop-down menu to the right of the PRT button has a number of useful options - e.g. converting notes to playable, muting RT audio for a region, or choosing a different sample. Also, in that same menu you can see which sample it's using - the ones that start with a number (e.g. '026 xxxxx') are typically ones that use material recorded in the actual RT session. The ones that start with 'HiQ' (e.g. 'HiQ 025 xxxxx') are closest matches that we currently have. Hope this helps."

Here's a link to the entire discussion:
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Many thanks MusicStudent smile

I just notice that if you search for "Playable Realtracks" on the Band-in-a-Box® 2022 Bonus PAKs/Band-in-a-Box® 2022 49-PAK page (https://www.pgmusic.com/bbwin.bonuspaks_2022.htm) you get two hits, one in each sections.

If you do the same on the Band-in-a-Box® 2023 Bonus PAKs/Band-in-a-Box® 2023 49-PAK page (https://www.pgmusic.com/bbwin.bonuspaks_2023.htm), you only get a hit on the first section which leads me to believe that there is no "Playable Realtracks" in the Band-in-a-Box® 2023 49-PAK... I wish they had put playable Realtracks as the are progressive rock track in the 2023 49-PAK this year!

So now I am of the mind that I should only buy Band-in-a-Box® 2023 Pro without 2023 49-PAK...


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Thanks Matt smile

You might be right about the sale prices extending well into January... You have more experience than a newbie like me!

But I guess theses prices pertains only to updates whereas I have a coupon code and I wrongly thought I was told that it was valid until the 31st as I remembered it but I went and re-read the email minutes ago and realized that it actually says "You can use this coupon for ??% off. It will be active until the end of December"

So I'm good until tomorrow 23:59:59 I guess smile


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Thanks Charlie smile

So essentially you are saying via Andrew that if i buy the 2023 49-PAK, all tracks in it will have "Replayable Realtrack". Am I right?

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Originally Posted By: pattoocool
Thanks charlie smile

So essentially you are saying via Andrew that if i buy the 2023 49-PAK, all tracks in it will have "Replayable Realtrack". Am I right?


Yes, all RealTracks have the capability and Sforzando ships with the BIAB program and Hi-Q instruments and Playable RealTracks are installed.

However, not every RealTrack has a one on one correlating Playable RealTrack instrument sound. My system currently has 839 instruments to choose from.

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Thanks again Charlie smile

I was gonna say: "With this info I now might buy the 2023 49 PAK" but I wanted to make sure it was "49 PAK" and not "49PAK", so I went I clicked on buy the BIAB 2023 Pro and the page that loads list both the 2022 Bonus 49 PAK & 2023 Bonus 49 PAK as being in my cart! Is that normal? I thought you could not buy the previous year Bonus 49 PAK once the newer Bonus 49 PAK was out!

Proof: https://flic.kr/p/2o8QGQE

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That is not normal. When money is involved it's best to get PG Music Sales involved.


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Thanks Jim smile

I will contact them tomorrow as I now know I have until 23:59:59 on the 31th to use my coupon!


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I am not familiar with coupons for BIAB. My speculation about the sales period did not include that.


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Hi Matt,

I too received an email with a coupon for 20% off.
As I live in the UK this was very welcome as it negates the cost of the customs VAT etc.


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Ah, I wonder if this is a continuation of the extremely generous offer by PG Music before, to minimize the effect of the VAT on shipped hard drives? Is the UK continuing to levy that after Brexit?

Or it could be something else entirely …


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i got a code to enter that reduce the cost of the BIAB upgrade but did not work towards Xtra styles etc. I'm in the UK and its greatly appreciated.

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Hello pattoocool,

All Band-in-a-Box packages (except for the $49 program upgrade from 2022) include both Playable RealTracks Set 1 and 2. PRT Set 1 was introduced last year. PRT Set 2 is new this year so more RealTracks have a better PRT match. It is included in the free bonus PAK. Each set adds 400 (more or less) Sforzando 'patches'. You might have added a 2022 version PAK via a link on an old page, or you had it in your cart from before.


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Hi Matt,

Yes the UK still levies the VAT (Value Added Tax) even on downloaded files.

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Thanks Matt smile

it's understandable that if you had known about the coupon, you would has answered differently smile


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Many thanks Andrew as this help clarify some stuff smile

Yeah I went looking for the 2022 49 PAK via Google because I remembered that there was a mention about it containing Playable Realtracks, it does indeed! And clicking on the yellow arrow puts it in my cart!

So I search via Google again and was able to add the 2021 49 PAK to my cart as well! So now I have the 2021 49 PAK, the 2022 49 PAK & the 2023 49 PAK in my cart! I then search for the 2020 49 PAK and found it but this time when I clicked on the yellow arrow, the trick did not work! It simply loads a "404 Page Not Found
Sorry, this page doesn't exist" page

https://flic.kr/p/2o8Yvrf

So essentially, you are saying that if I simply buy BIAB 2023 Pro version I would end up with the Playable Realtracks set 1 & 2, right?

So adding the Bonus 2023 49PAK would simply add 60 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks, Look Ma! More MIDI 10: Acid Jazz, Instrumental Studies Set 19: Modern Country Soloing, MIDI SuperTracks Set 36: Funk & Jazz Piano, MIDI SuperTracks Set 37: Contradance Piano, Artist Performance Set 14: Songs with Vocals Volume 4, and RealDrums Stems Set 3: Jazz, Latin & World!

But no Playable Realtracks...

I wonder if PGMusic's cart processing would let me buy the aforementionned previous year 49 PAKs?

Let's try it smile

https://flic.kr/p/2o8YAES

It seems it would work! Unfortunately money is tight right now...

By the way! Now that it is known that I have a coupon code that is good until tonight 23:59:59, I was wondering... that 23:59:59 is in accordance to British Columbia time right, meaning, if I am in an eastern province, I have less time, right?

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But no Playable Realtracks...


Playable RealTracks are included in the free Bonus PAK, so you will get them no matter what. The 49 PAK has additional things.


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