“All joking aside and excluding subjective "art" subjects, this AI very well could cause severe disruptions to the highly educated workforce.”
ChatGPT wrote this:
“In the next five years, it is likely that AI will begin to reduce employment for college-educated workers. As the technology continues to advance, it will be able to perform tasks that were previously thought to require a high level of education and skill. This could lead to a displacement of workers in certain industries, as companies look to cut costs by automating processes. While it is difficult to predict the exact extent of this trend, it is clear that AI will have a significant impact on the job market for college-educated workers. It will be important for individuals to stay up to date on the latest developments in AI and to consider how their skills and expertise can be leveraged in a world where machines are increasingly able to perform many tasks.”
I guess me being only a semi-educated redneck will have its advantage...lol
You want beef, I have cows...lol
Billy
“Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig? “Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”
I have to wonder if the access to ChatGPT will continue in the same freely accessible way. I can no longer log on to the site. Perhaps this is just a temporary condition.
I had no idea about the vast amounts of money that has been spent to date on ChatGPT. Microsoft has invested three billion and is seriously considering investing another ten billion.
This may be a fun toy for us to experiment with writing lyrics/music, but the importance of this program has next to nothing to do with art.
I think we will soon need to get out our checkbook if we want to access ChatGPT.
Billy
“Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig? “Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”
I think we will soon need to get out our checkbook if we want to access ChatGPT. Billy
I think you're right on the money there, Billy. Make it free to get massive publicity, and then recoup the investment costs. A smart business model indeed.
BIAB & RB2025 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones
We mustn't forget that artificial intelligence is just that ... artificial. It puts things together based upon chance and probabilities. It's quite possible that the 'novella' is a complete or near-complete version of something on which it was trained.
Lots of software-oriented people, at least in older age groups, must have written one of those "report writers" that churn our pages of apparently intelligent verbiage, using all the buzz-phrases of the day, but actually saying nothing meaningful. Much like some humans actually
ChatGPT is clearly doing a much better job of beginning, middle and end, and wrapping up the story sensibly, but its still really an enhanced version of the same thing.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11 BIAB2025 Audiophile, a bunch of other software. Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts .
How much is really truly 'Artificial Intelligence' (independently thinking and reasoning by itself and having an independent ability to form an opinion) and how much as clever pattern matching of things it has already learned simply by being exposed to massive amounts of data?
BIAB & RB2025 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones
I am currently investigating how ChatGPT and others can be used to make money. I have considered for a long time that I need to reinvent myself and take on the modern world. Becoming skilled at programming has always been a consideration.
ChatGPT is capable of generating code that plays into my way of thinking. "I don't have to be the expert. I only need to know how to get the experts to work for me.
There are things that can be generated with AI that can be sold.
More to come.
Billy
“Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig? “Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”
How much is really truly 'Artificial Intelligence' (independently thinking and reasoning by itself and having an independent ability to form an opinion) and how much as clever pattern matching of things it has already learned simply by being exposed to massive amounts of data?
Hey Trev
If you think about the hundreds of thousands of dollars doctors spend to become doctors, there is not so much independent thinking that goes on. They go to school to be exposed and try to remember "massive amounts of data." For a human to have the ability to form an opinion and make logical, independent decisions requires large amounts of "data."
We have a minimal view of AI when looking at it from the perspective of music/art. There are some genuinely scary things going on with AI. They are being developed to make independent decisions to fire on and kill humans in military situations.
We are becoming more and more dependent on software to make decisions for us humans. No one uses manual calculations to do structural engineering any longer; everything is done on a computer program.
Ai is the logical extension of that sort of thing.
What does human intelligence actually mean? How far are we away from duplicating that? Most likely closer than we would like because of the potential dangers involved.
All this is not just something that is going on here in the USA. DeepMind, a London-based company, has expanded worldwide.
I think we are already living in the future. We are just not totally aware of where we have gotten to.
Billy
“Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig? “Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”
I think we will soon need to get out our checkbook if we want to access ChatGPT.
Nah. How much does it cost to run a Google search or get a Facebook account? The new software megabusiness model doesn't depend on withholding access.
Besides, ChatGPT/OpenAI wants the interactions to learn from. When you talk to it, it also talks to you (as Nietzsche said) and for all we know subtly manipulates you to fill in areas it's interested in. Never mind typing, think of all the stuff people paste into it, gobs and gobs of text it would never see otherwise. Free users are a gold mine of freely provided data.
I believe monetization will come from things like: third-party companies embedding the GPT-3 AI engine in full-on commercial products built on top of the API. Which is already happening; see this Wikipedia article, at "Applications". That's the sort of service OpenAI will be able to charge companies huge amounts for.
As for ChatGPT itself, remember also, for all its dazzling awesomeness, the service is ultimately unreliable and comes with no guarantees of any kind — including of availability, as you're currently seeing.
A question to bear in mind when downplaying ChatGPT's abilities as something essentially other than "real" intelligence.
I mean, show me a person making probabilistic decisions based on pattern matching across a known knowledge base and I don't say, "Oh, so it isn't really intelligence." Case in point: your doctors, the presumed epitome of intelligent agents.
Lots of software-oriented people, at least in older age groups, must have written one of those "report writers" that churn our pages of apparently intelligent verbiage, using all the buzz-phrases of the day, but actually saying nothing meaningful. Much like some humans actually
In 1983 or so I wrote the COBOL program that generated this 38 page short story (beginning and ending attached.)
Hah .... He'd be eating pigeon pie for quite some time. After 38 pages there must have been a couple of hundred at least
Last edited by Gordon Scott; 01/25/2305:31 AM.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11 BIAB2025 Audiophile, a bunch of other software. Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts .
Well, I hope Mark is correct about not having to pay to use ChatGPT. I find it a fascinating and beneficial program to use.
This thread and other AI threads have caused me to explore other AI programs.
Midjourney is capable of producing beautiful artwork in many forms, for example. Free for a bit, then $10 a month after for standard. $300 a year for everything they have to offer.
As many of us here are producing visual effects/video in conjunction with the music, programs like Midjourney could be worth the price.
I think we will see many AI programs come about that will enhance our ability to create exciting music.
What if BIAB was AI-enhanced with AI?
Thanks, Mark, for starting me down the road. I will send you the bill later...lol
Billy
“Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig? “Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”
“In another example, the threat actor explains how to generate an e-book or short chapter for a specific topic (using ChatGPT) and sell this content online.”
Scammy potential there but mostly completely legal, I’d imagine. A monograph on how to treat black locust tree thorn injuries*, $1.99 for the PDF, things like that.
====
* Complete text: “To treat a black locust tree thorn injury, clean the wound with soap and water. Then, apply an antiseptic to prevent infection. If the wound is deep, or if the thorn is still in the wound, seek medical attention. If you develop signs of infection, such as redness, warmth, or pus, seek medical attention. Keep the wound elevated and covered with a sterile bandage to reduce swelling and pain.“
The issue for PG Music would be the investment cost and rate of return on the investment, plus the risk assessment.
Better products do not always produce better profits. That must be obvious from the many long-standing requests users of BIAB have made.
The "low-hanging fruit" for AI is not in art.
Well...8:00 AM tomorrow, I get the right eye surgery. The results have been excellent so far, and I am looking forward to finishing this up. The outstanding part is I get to stay home and play piano/guitar...no work for a day or two...lol
Billy
“Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig? “Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”
Another AI is called ChatSonic. I ask for lyrics to a government protest song in the style of Elton John. It is free for 25 requests, paid for more...don't know yet how much.
This is what it returned. You can talk to this AI and it can access the internet
Very different approach to lyrics from ChatGPT
Verse 1: Fighting for what's right, for a better tomorrow Standing for justice to protect our home We speak out for those whose voices have been forgotten In the name of liberty, we will not be denied ( I could use "alone" here)
Chorus: We won't accept their lies No more injustice in the skies We won't stand for this no more Tearing down the wall of tyranny, power to the people
Verse 2: Gathering up the strength and courage of our fathers Uniting in the name of peace and equality Our power lies in our voice, it's harmony together A better world we'll make, no more suffering and sorrow
Chorus: We won't accept their lies No more injustice in the skies We won't stand for this no more Tearing down the wall of tyranny, power to the people
Bridge: Gather around, hear the call to action Our strength lies in our unity, one voice, one mission Let's break free from these chains of oppression We won't let them take away our freedom
Chorus: We won't accept their lies No more injustice in the skies We won't stand for this no more Tearing down the wall of tyranny, power to the people
There seem like lots of options out there both paid and free.
These AI bots may not be super good at music yet but they are truly amazing at producing visual art. Oil paintings, posters, etc.
With the limitations, I can see the lyric writing ability to be useful in any event. I am sure we all must have struggled with some part of a song like everything is good except the bridge for example. Ask the AI for suggestions.
Cool stuff on many levels!
Billy
“Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig? “Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”
Well...8:00 AM tomorrow, I get the right eye surgery. The results have been excellent so far, and I am looking forward to finishing this up. The outstanding part is I get to stay home and play piano/guitar...no work for a day or two...lol
Good luck with the peepers tomorrow. Don't get too comfy on your day off, there's still work to be done
BIAB & RB2025 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones
We’ve expanded the Band-in-a-Box® RealTracks library with 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 449-467) across Jazz, Blues, Funk, World, Pop, Rock, Country, Americana, and Praise & Worship—featuring your most requested styles!
Jazz, Blues & World (Sets 449–455):
These RealTracks includes “Soul Jazz” with Neil Swainson (bass), Mike Clark (drums), Charles Treadway (organ), Miles Black (piano), and Brent Mason (guitar). Enjoy “Requested ’60s” jazz, classic acoustic blues with Colin Linden, and more of our popular 2-handed piano soloing. Plus, a RealTracks first—Tango with bandoneon, recorded in Argentina!
Rock & Pop (Sets 456–461):
This collection includes Disco, slap bass ‘70s/‘80s pop, modern and ‘80s metal with Andy Wood, and a unique “Songwriter Potpourri” featuring Chinese folk instruments, piano, banjo, and more. You’ll also find a muted electric guitar style (a RealTracks first!) and “Producer Layered Guitar” styles for slick "produced" sound.
Country, Americana & Praise (Sets 462–467):
We’ve added new RealTracks across bro country, Americana, praise & worship, vintage country, and songwriter piano. Highlights include Brent Mason (electric guitar), Eddie Bayers (drums), Doug Jernigan (pedal steel), John Jarvis (piano), Glen Duncan (banjo, mandolin & fiddle), Mike Harrison (electric bass) and more—offering everything from modern sounds to heartfelt Americana styles
And, if you are looking for more, the 2025 49-PAK (for $49) includes an additional 20 RealTracks with exciting new sounds and genre-spanning styles. Enjoy RealTracks firsts like Chinese instruments (guzheng & dizi), the bandoneon in an authentic Argentine tango trio, and the classic “tic-tac” baritone guitar for vintage country.
You’ll also get slick ’80s metal guitar from Andy Wood, modern metal with guitarist Nico Santora, bass player Nick Schendzielos, and drummer Aaron Stechauner, more praise & worship, indie-folk, modern/bro country with Brent Mason, and “Songwriter Americana” with Johnny Hiland.
Plus, enjoy user-requested styles like Soul Jazz RealDrums, fast Celtic Strathspey guitar, and Chill Hop piano & drums!
With your version 2025 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Or upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
The 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 33 new RealTracks and 65+ new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 29 new RealTracks and 45+ new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
Playable RealTracks Set 4
RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Windows!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: VST3 Plugin Support
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins
One of our representatives will be happy to help you over the phone. Our hours of operation are from
6:00AM to 6:00PM PST (GMT -8) Monday thru Friday, and 8:00AM to 4:00PM PST Saturday. We are closed Sunday. You can also send us your questions via email.
One of our representatives will be happy to help you on our Live Chat or by email. Our hours of operation are from
6:00AM to 6:00PM PST (GMT -8) Monday thru Friday; 8:00AM to 4:00PM PST (GMT -8) Saturday; Closed Sunday.
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean