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Hi, all: Having finished my first new song of the year, and with nothing else new forthcoming, I decided to dive back into a few older songs, and give them a redo. I’m hoping one or two of them can pan out as potential tracks for a new “vanity” album, at some point. “Prayer To The World” was done almost 5 years ago, and I believe it was the fourth song I ever did using BIAB. I lost the original BIAB file . . . and while I still had the Logic Pro file, I wanted to revisit some of the instrumentation and potentially make some changes. So, I recreated it. Ultimately, I changed out the drums, subbed the dreamy electric fill track for the original fiddle track, and went to a less busy acoustic guitar (though I’m still debating whether to drop it altogether from the mix). But the biggest reason for re-doing this was the vocal. Some folks here may recall that the vocals on my early (and not so early) efforts, were often a bit high end, and didn’t always sit well in the mix. Such was the case, IMO, with the original version of the song. I’d like to think I’ve gotten better over the years . . . and hopefully was more successful on this take (though I’m still not sure it’s where it needs to be). I’m not going to link to the prior version, as I’m not so much looking for feedback on the difference, but rather how this one stands on its own. That said, I have not yet taken it down from my SoundCloud page for those that might be curious. Thanks in advance for the listens and feedback. I'm guessing the mix may still need some work, so have at it! My best to you all, Deej Here’s the song:PRAYER TO THE WORLD
Here are the lyrics:We keep moving sideways Down all these highways Searching for someplace to be Through all our travels We’ve been scarred by our battles Maybe it’s time we made our peace We’ve got to open our arms To the light of the living Or let what’s dying die Don’t be alarmed by By our doubts and our misgivings It’s so easy, love, to never try We’ve gotta set our sights On the light shining over All these mad things we do You say you’ve got your demons Well, I’ve got demons too Say a prayer to the world There’s a chance for forgiveness A prayer to the world There’s some light still within us A prayer to the world There’s still hope of love for me and you We drove through the tension While every sense of connection Just scattered like leaves in the wind We found comfort in strangers Well aware of the danger Of losing ourselves in the end We’ve got to open our eyes To the price of commitment And make a choice to choose Don’t be surprised by the Strength of our resistance to it It’s harder, love, to win than lose We’ve got to set our sights on the light shining over all these mad things we do You say you’ve got your reasons Well, I’ve got reasons too Let’s walk on out From this weight on our shoulders Let’s figure out How a good love can bloom And here’s the band: RealTracks 2915: Bass, Electric CountryPopByron12-key RealTracks 2825: Piano, Acoustic, Rhythm CountryPopMike12-key RealTracks 2883: Pedal Steel, Background CountryEddy12-key RealTracks 1761: Guitar, Acoustic, Strumming Pop16ths RealTracks 2650: Guitar, Electric, Background DreamyPopBalladFillsBrent RealDrums: NashvilleEven8^1
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Deej, you produced the original before I heard of BiaB and so I never heard it. But I can say this version is top shelf. You did a strong write lyrically and your vocals are top notch. Well done and looking forward to more 
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Hi DeeJ
Very nice song
I don't know the original version but this version sounds really good
Is of course perfect for your voice
Really very well done
Many greetings
Andi ;-)
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I don't know the original version, but I think a cleaner arrangement and less busy guitar are good for the song, I like this new version a lot because it makes the vocals (which are very good) the center of attention.
Mix is solid but has not much bottom end. I'd make the bass louder and give the bass drum some EQ love.
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Hi, Deej. I don't care to hear the original because this is SO good. It's odd to hear you talk about your vocal as if it's not (what I believe) one of the best vocal sounds I ever heard. The fact that you say it wasn't so good the first round, I am tempted to give the original a listen, but this is so good I'll listen to this one again.
This song is so good. Everything in the mix sits snuggly in my ears. I tried very hard to come up with some sage advice about making it better, but it cannot be improved. The piano is so strong driving the track, and the pedal steel is sucha fine subtle touch, the guitars make all the right statements, but the star is that vocal and the lyrics.
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Deej...as usual this is an exceptional song...your vocals are without a doubt unique and one of my favorites around here...I love the track and whatever changes you've made to it...but my most favorite part of this song (as it is with many of your songs) is the lyrics...you have a singular way of expressing yourself in song and I appreciate it...that being said my only question is about a central line in it..."Say a prayer to the world"...I'm not sure I understand what that line means...If it were "Say a prayer for the world" (meaning the world that causes all the confusion) or "Say a prayer for our world" (meaning the world of the principle character and his/her lover) I'd get it...it's probably just the cloud in my head still a great song with or without me understanding the meaning of the line...I always look forward to hearing your songs!
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Along with "If You Stay", this is my favourite early Deej song. I remember the original :-)
How do you improve on perfect? You've just done it. And no, I'm not going overboard. This is one of the very best songs I've ever heard on this board. This version is of a more mature Deej voice, at least to my ears. The voice sounds more worn, more wise, more wry. It's also more rounded, more ... well, wow.
I don't know how you do it, but this, for me, is vintage Deej. This is what it's about. It doesn't get any better.
And no, I'm not going into specifics - such as the amazing new guitar accompaniment, the new turns in the vocal melody, the "rounder" sound, etc. etc. etc. . What would be the point? THIS. IS. A. CLASSIC. Full stop :-)
I am, quite honestly, in awe. This, "If You Stay", "I've Got The Moon", "Fifteen Feet", "Paper Dreams", "Why Do You Break My Heart", "Nowhere Else To Go", "All Measure Of Control" and many other Deej songs could easily, easily be No. 1s in any music chart worthy of its name. And this, for me, is where it all started. Long may we be blessed to hear more from you. BRAVO!!!
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Hey this is a really good song DJ.
Excellent lyrics.
The vocals are really nice man.
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Hi Deej, man this is some great writing. I didn't listen to the first version so that I could let this one stand alone as you requested. I think it is a very, very good song. I have to be hyper-critical to come up with anything. I think the vocal is just a little bit dry, but I really like it and don't think I'd change anything. I think Musician17 got it right, the vocal sounds worn, wise and mature - fits the song well. As mentioned, I think the writing is terrific. You have a very original way of describing things in your songs that really make them stand out. That being said, I agree with Dan. I don't really follow the "prayer to the world" line, and it's the only place in the vocal that sounds a bit rushed to me. I'm also with Marty on the piano - that came out very well. If it were me, I'd bring the volume of the steel up a little. It doesn't balance well with the lead guitar to my ears. You have to consider however, that I think I have a strong tendency to over-do the steel guitar. Also remember that I'm being hyper-critical, and I think you're better at putting this stuff together than I am, so I could be completely wrong. I really think it's a great song - honest!
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Bass Thumper, Andi, B.D., Marty, firesong, James, David, and Brad:
Thanks much for taking the time to listen and for the great comments! A few responses on the specific suggestions and questions.
B.D.: Great suggestions. I will raise the volume of the bass—for some reason I decided to lower it at some point, but I can bring it back up easily enough. I’ll see what I can do on the drums, but they are always a bit of challenge for me.
Firesong and Brad re “Prayer to the world”: It’s a fair question, as it’s a somewhat atypical phrasing. I generally shy away from discussing the intent of a lyric because I can only respond by saying what it means to me . . . which may not resonate with you or other listeners.
But before I get there, I’d start by noting that I didn't want to use “Prayer for the world”. While I’m aware the song could be read more broadly, at its heart it is meant to be a song about a damaged relationship and the strength and commitment that’s needed to rekindle a dying love. It is a plea from one lover to the other (and in a way, is a prayer in itself). So to say, “for the world” takes the focus off that relationship and confuses the listener about the intent of the song (i.e., that it is more about the condition or plight of the world than their relationship). “For our world” could work (though not melodically), but I’d still have the same concern.
For better or worse, what I think I mean by it is this: a prayer, to me, is a private thing. To share that prayer, to say it publicly, to the world, is to display and demonstrate your faith to all. In this case, "a prayer to the world" is a prayer for all the world to hear . . . demonstrating to all the singer's hope for forgiveness and renewed love. Whether that works for some or all, I don't know. But it's what's intended, and regardless I would hope the song's message resonates nonetheless.
Brad: I think you may be right about the steel. I toyed with racing the volume a bit more, but if I do (and I probably will), I think I’ll need to do it selectively so as to minimize any clashing with the dreamy guitar runs. On the rushed vocal, in hindsight, I maybe should have added an extra beat or two in that break before “Say a prayer to the world” which might have then seemed less rushed . . . not sure though that I’ll try to tackle that at this point.
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Deej,
It's always rewarding to go back and give an older song the treatment you feel it deserved! I never heard the original version but you really gave this a great vocal! The message is spot on! Love the guitar solo and fills, they really suppliment the song very well! Very nice song!
Thanks, T
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Deej
Lovely song, the band sounds very good, nice and complimentary.
Superb passionate vocal and a nice melody.
Excellent work all round.
Peter
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Deej,
Everything about this is excellent
A solid write
A beautiful track- terrific instrumentation
Bass and drums are killer
Gorgeous vocals. Your recording technique there has improved dramatically
Pro sounding in every regard
Fj
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Torrey, Peter and Floyd:
Thanks much for the listen and comments. Floyd, regarding the vocal recording, your guidance over the years has certainly helped my progression, so thanks for that!
My best to you all,
Deej
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Hi Deej,
I don't recall the original, but mix wise I would say you nailed it this time around. I'm the same, I've learned a lot about mixing and production during my time on this forum, and like you, a lot came from Floyd.
Excellent song too of course, one of your best.
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Any decent vehicle for your voice is a winner. This is a great vehicle so even better.
Cheers
rayc
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Deej,
This is really good.
The music is great, the piano and guitar are fine.
But on top of it all there is your great vocal!
Wonderful song!
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DJ, I don't remember the original version so I can't compare the two.
However this version is top shelf all the way.
A great backing band supporting an outstanding vocal - excellent job on that!
Super lyrics also.
I wouldn't change a thing on this one.
I got banned from Weight Watchers for dropping a bag of M&Ms on the floor.
It was the best game of Hungry Hippos I've ever seen!
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Hi Deej,
I can't recall this song too, however I'm on BiaB forum from 2016. But once in a while. I had to learn working with that program and all other stuff.
But this song immediatly made me remember all the songs I heard from you. So good and sensitive.
That is is you on your very best! Love to hear when you sing these kind of songs. Just great!
Hans
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Deej, Nicely produced. What a good write to go along with a vocal that just slays! Loved it, Tom
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Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins
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