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Someone here asked if a BIAB arrangement could be used to produce a commercial release. Here are 3 snippets from a soon to be released album by Sarah Gillmore (sarahgillmore.com), recorded at my ITR Studio, using BIAB for Drums, Bass, Organ, Piano, Lead Guitar, Electric Rhythm Guitars, and String tracks. Other tracks include BIAB Mandolin, Flute, Vibes and some other instruments. The only live instruments are the acoustic guitars and vocals. Enjoy. Head GamesDo It CompletelyCome Closer To Me
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Sounding great Harvey. Amazing what can be done with Biab. The RT's really shine in these snippets. The singer has a great voice as well. Thanks for sharing these with us.
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First day I was here I listed to a song "everchange" it think and said cool that you can write something that good with this program. Thwn I stared listening to some of the other stuff and my hope started fadeing. I mean lots of good attempts, but no other WOWs
I listend to these three tracks and said WOW! three times. This is the best stuff I've listened to on this forum.
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Thank you. It was an enjoyable project for me and I learned quite a few new tricks with BIAB 2011.
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Ha, ha -- how come your BIAB songs so much better than mine??? Obviously you know what you are doing in the studio. Very impressive sounds and congrats. Time for me to work on sounding better -- you've just destroyed all my excuses!
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Harvey, excellent, great sounding tracks!
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Harvey,
Great sounding examples of what can be done with BIAB.
Thanks for sharing.
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Hi Harvey,
Your work is brilliant. I find it incredibly inspiring to know what can be done with BIAB. I've heard your MIDI tracks in the past and they have amazed me too.
All the best,
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It wasn't without headaches. The original "Head Games" tracks were accidentally erased and I even lost the original BIAB .SGU file. Sarah and I redid the .SGU file, then we re-tracked Shannon Dyer's acoustic guitars, and Sarah did final vocals. I then added the final Real Tracks (Drums, Bass, Organ, and two Electric Rhythm Guitars) and did the mix - all this in one day. I settled on the "Jamerson slap bass" at the last moment. I took down the levels of the guitars during the verses and brought them up for the choruses.
"Come Closer To Me" and "Do It Completely" took a lot more time - several days, in fact. There are 3 different BIAB strings tracks (Slow Strings, Tremolo Strings, and Pizzicato Strings), Organ, Drums, Bass, and two Lead Guitar tracks on "Do It Completely".
The Pizzicato Strings worked fine for one hit per measure, but I wanted four hits per measure at certain parts, so the chords were duplicated to 4 chords per measure. ("Copy" and "Paste" is your friend.) I muted them for all the rest of the song.
I used two different Blues Guitar Leads for fills, but matched them to make it one guitar (It comes back in and builds at the end of the song.) The "swells" on the other strings occurred naturally, due to the A/B markers and only needed moderate editing.
For the acoustic tracks, I sometimes had Shannon Dyer double his rhythm tracks, or play a high strung (Nashville 6) acoustic, a 12 string, and even an electric sitar for one song. Sarah sang up to four harmony parts and I sometimes blended her main vocal with her scratch vocal at various points for some emphasis.
Sarah's scratch vocals were done with a Beyer Soundstar MK II, her main vocals and harmonies were through an MXL 960, and all acoustic guitars were recorded with one MXL 603S - all very inexpensive mics.
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Hi Harvey, Quote:
It was an enjoyable project for me and I learned quite a few new tricks with BIAB 2011.
Care to enlighten me on your tricks etc.
I for one would definitely listen carefully as I respect your professionalism.
Best regards
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Hey Harvey, I like Do It Completely best. Thanks so much for sharing the details of your process. Very interesting and helpful. And good to know the "headaches" can happen to everybody. 
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The sounds are good, but I assume you eventually tightened up the timing on the acoustic guitar track Come closer to me? I do agree, the more you work with biab real tracks, the more you figure out ways of making the best use of them. It's difficult to get them to completely conform at times. Sometimes it's actually helpful to let them lead the way- letting the ideas of those musicians and what they played be the part, as opposed to reworking a part using them. Having used real tracks for a while now, there is no doubt they can be a viable part of any arrangement, at any level. But it does help to have good editing chops, be able to add real instruments, and have good drum samples handy to help the drums conform more to how you need them to be in various spots- cymbal crashes and hits being a big one. If you have all that, and a good song of course, there's no reason not to use biab if you choose to.
I assume you didn't use the audiophile version either, which is 24 bit wav files?
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The sounds are good, but I assume you eventually tightened up the timing on the acoustic guitar track "Come closer to me"?
I assume you didn't use the audiophile version either, which is 24 bit wav files?
Dan
Dan,
Yes I slid one of the acoustic guitar tracks by accident about 30ms, and didn't catch it until after I posted the mp3. All fixed. Good catch. Yes, I bought the BIAB UltraPak, not the Audiophile version. If I needed a BIAB file for any major label stuff, I'd spring for it, although I don't think even a major label would catch the difference.
Interestingly enough, when I want to even out my track levels during mixing, I use the BIAB Limiter, which works amazingly well.
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It was an enjoyable project for me and I learned quite a few new tricks with BIAB 2011.
Care to enlighten me on your tricks etc.
I for one would definitely listen carefully as I respect your professionalism.
Best regards
Michee
Here's a picture of the Adobe Audion screen:
Notice the Pizzicato Strings and the Lead Guitars only show up in a few spots? They're muted everywhere else. The yellow lines on the lead guitar are volume controllers; down, they're off, a climbing line is a build. You can see the effects of the BIAB limiter module on the vocals, drums, and bass.
I used an FMR RNC Comressor on Sarah's vocals during the tracking section; all other effects were added during the mixdown.
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Something happened to the screen and I can no longer see the far right part of any of the posts on this thread. Ex the above is cut off after "yellow lines o
Bringing it up cuz I don't want to miss what Harvey's saying.
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Hi Josie,
I have the same problem.
I think it might be due to the size of Harvey's graphic.
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Yep, me too. The graphic is throwing off the margins.
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Sorry, I think it's fixed now. Just reload the thread.
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Nice work Harvey, i liked the subtle nature of the recordings they were not over done, that is something i can certainly learn for your work.
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Hi Harvey,
Thank you for sharing a little of your expertise with me.
I will try to do mixing in a similar manner to that shown in your picture.
Best regards
Michee
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