|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 38
Enthusiast
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 38 |
Hi, I'm guessing this question has been asked before, but I rarely have success with searches. I have BIAB 2007, am I right in assuming I cannot repeat a verse before a chorus? That is, do I have to create an unnecessarily long document with all the verses spelled out the same way? And further, how would one put in a key shift after say 3 verses and a chorus?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 19,831
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 19,831 |
Hi Limau,
Before I answer your questions, I'd like to clarify PG Music's interpretation of "Chorus". In the PG Music sense (and in the most general of senses), "chorus" means "once through the entire song". When one opens BIAB, the default setting is 3 x Choruses. Given that you have been using BIAB for sometime, I imagine that you are well aware of this. Should a new person be reading this thread, though, they will probably not be aware of this subtly with the word "chorus".
With the above in mind, if your song consists of Verse 1, Chorus, Verse 2, Chorus, Verse 3, Chorus, Ending then you could simply input this as one verse followed by a chorus and then set BIAB to play three "choruses" where a BIAB-chorus is what you have input as a verse followed by a chorus.
If however, you wanted to input a song that was something like Verse 1, Chorus, Verse 2, Chorus, Bridge, Chorus then I would suggest that you do it as a single PG Music "Chorus". This is easy enough to do because you only have to enter a single verse and chorus and then you can copy and paste the chords for the other verses and choruses (highlight the required range of bars, press CNTRL+C, relocate the cursor to the first bar of the required section and press CNTRL+V). BIAB calls this the "unfolded" format. Personally, I always write my songs as unfolded works as I feel it gives me easier control over all components.
Lastly, if you want to transpose the last section of music, you will need to highlight that section and then go to Edit | Transpose | Transpose from .. to.
Hope this helps,
Noel
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2025
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,028
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,028 |
Just trying to recall whether the BIAB version of four years ago supported Edit / Transpose / From .. To (I think it did) and key signature change (I think it did not).
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 38
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 38 |
Ah yes the transpose feature, thanks guys for pointing that out. Sorry about my use of the word chorus. Let me put it another way. If I want multiple verses followed by a "refrain" is there a way to repeat the verse instead of producing an unnecesarily long document; just like sheet music? My question is not about convenience of entry, its about keeping everything in one screen.
Last edited by Limau; 01/23/11 01:21 AM.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 8,333
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 8,333 |
Intro
Verse + Chorus = 1 Pg Chorus x 3
Tag Ending (can be very long)
Fade
There are usually 2 versions a year so 2007 so for me that is 9 versions ago, a lot of water under the bridge and I don't know about the key change and when that was put in.
John Conley
Musica est vita
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 38
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 38 |
Thanks John, but thats rather cryptic. 2007 does not appear to allow the insertion of repeats other than at the final end. Therefore a complex arrangement would have to be written bar for bar or be a serious of repeated identical sections. I would have thought advanced musicians would want something more versatile in later versions. I'm not buying anything on the off-chance until I can get a straight answer.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 19,831
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 19,831 |
Limau,
In my original post I mentioned that if you wanted Verse/refrain repeated 3 times, this is simply set in BIAB as 3 choruses. John has pointed out also that this would do the job for you. A tag ending could then be added to finish the song off if needed although it's likely that the BIAB ending will suffice.
The fact that our solutions do work for you means that we are not fully understanding your question. Can you please provide more detail about what you want BIAB to do for you. For example, did you want "Verse 1, Refrain, Verse 2, Refrain, Verse 3, Refrain, Ending"? Or maybe something like "Verse 1, Refrain, Verse 2, Refrain, Bridge, Refrain"?
Regards,
Noel
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2025
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,028
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,028 |
Somewhere between 2007 and 2011, repeats were improved, but it appears to me as if John and Noel gave you the correct (straight) answer. You just use the Bar for Beginning of Chorus and Bar for End of Chorus numbers to specify the section that repeats. Repeats do not have to be at the "final end". Use the two numbers to the right of the tempo box.
Don't forget, you have a 30-day money back guarantee if you purchase the upgrade to 2011.
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 5,261
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 5,261 |
Quote:
2007 does not appear to allow the insertion of repeats other than at the final end.
Repeats, 1st and 2nd endings, codas etc. were introduced with BB 2004. You might want to check out the tutorials on repeats.
Martin
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 38
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 38 |
I guess I don't frame questions well. What I would like to do is this: verse,verse,verse,refrain - without writing the verse three times. I know I can repeat the whole thing, and verse,refrain,verse,refrain etc is easy. Ultimately, it would be nice to be able to do something AAABABA and still have the option for endings or tags. But I think you can see if I repeat the first A three times, thats it, end of song. Or is it?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 5,261
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 5,261 |
Quote:
Ultimately, it would be nice to be able to do something AAABABA and still have the option for endings or tags.
That's supported by the BB repeat feature. Did you really make yourself familiar with its syntax? Maybe it would be good if you describe the exact steps you took. In addition peruse the section 'Repeats Edit Dialog' in the help file and manual.
Martin
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 38
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 38 |
If you don't want to explain it, why bother telling me you know how to do it?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 8,333
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 8,333 |
The first of the boxes is the starting bar.
The missing bars is the intro.
The next box is the ending bar.
The one on the far right is the number of repeats.
The tag ending goes after the 2nd number and plays until the actual ending.
If the 3 boxes read 8 40 and 3 the song starts at 1 for the intro, the verse starts at 8 and plays to 40 3 times, then it goes to the tag and thus to the end.
John Conley
Musica est vita
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 19,831
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 19,831 |
Hi Limau, Quote:
If you don't want to explain it, why bother telling me you know how to do it?
I think you'll find that Martin is: (a) saying that it can be done; (b) indicating where to find information about what you want to do; (c) asking if you have read through this information, tried it out and, if so, whereabouts you got stuck; (d) asking that if it didn't work for you, could you please outline what you did so that he can approach a solution with a clear idea in mind of what you've tried.
In just about every instance I can think of, the Help manual, with all it's pictures and explanations, explains processes far better than it's possible to do in a text-based forum. My experience is that it often saves a great deal of time for everyone by using the Help manual as a reference.
The people in these forums are very supportive and offer help left, right and center to anyone who asks. I take my hat off to Martin. He's one of the best there is. Often a great deal of time goes into giving solutions that turn out to be useless. (Just like my earlier posts in this thread have ultimately not provided you with any help but they took me a reasonable amount of time to type.) When I read Martin's post, I read someone who was, in the most efficient way possible, seeking information and offering steps to take towards a solution.
Kind regards,
Noel
Last edited by Noel96; 01/24/11 02:36 PM.
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2025
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 5,261
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 5,261 |
Quote:
If you don't want to explain it, why bother telling me you know how to do it?
By now, Limau develops quite some troll attitude here.
You don't really expect that someone reads the manual to you, do you? You got pointers where exactly you may start getting your butt off the ground. Now, do your homework. Anything else would amount to wasting impudently everybody's time here on the forum.
Martin
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: VST3 Plugin Support
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins
Join the conversation on our forum.
Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac Videos
With the release of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac, we’re rolling out a collection of brand-new videos on our YouTube channel. We’ll also keep this forum post updated so you can easily find all the latest videos in one convenient spot.
From overviews of new features and walkthroughs of the 202 new RealTracks, to highlights of XPro Styles PAK 8, Xtra Styles PAKs 18, the 2025 49-PAK, and in-depth tutorials — you’ll find everything you need to explore what’s new in Band-in-a-Box® 2025.
Reference this forum post for One-Stop Shopping of our Band-in-a-Box® 2025 Mac Videos — we’ll be adding more videos as they’re released!
Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac is Here!
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac is here, packed with major new features and an incredible collection of available new content! This includes 202 RealTracks (in Sets 449-467), plus 20 bonus Unreleased RealTracks in the 2025 49-PAK. There are new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 4, two new sets of “RealDrums Stems,” XPro Styles PAK 8, Xtra Styles PAK 19, and more!
Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac with savings of up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special—available until July 31, 2025! Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available.
2025 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
We've packed our Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK with some incredible Add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is automatically included with most Band-in-a-Box® for Mac 2025 packages, but for even more Add-ons (including 20 Unreleased RealTracks!) upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49. You can see the full lists of items in each package, and listen to demos here.
If you have any questions, feel free to connect with us directly—we’re here to help!
Band-in-a-Box 2025 Italian Version is Here!
Cari amici
È stata aggerate la versione in Italiano del programma più amato dagli appassionati di musica, il nostro Band-in-a-Box.
Questo è il link alla nuova versione 2025.
Di seguito i link per scaricare il pacchetti di lingua italiana aggiornati per Band-in-a-Box e RealBand, anche per chi avesse già comprato la nuova versione in inglese.
Band-in-a-Box 2025 - Italiano
RealBand 2025 - Italiano
Band-in-a-Box 2025 French Version is Here!
Bonjour à tous,
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 pour Windows est disponible en Français.
Le téléchargement se fait à partir du site PG Music
Pour ceux qui auraient déjà acheté la version 2025 de Band-in-a-Box (et qui donc ont une version anglaise), il est possible de "franciser" cette version avec les patchs suivants:
BIAB 2025 - francisation
RealBand 2025 - francisation
Voilà, enjoy!
Band-in-a-Box 2025 German Version is Here!
Update Your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 to Build 1128 for Windows Today!
Already using Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Windows®? Download Build 1128 now from our Support Page to enjoy the latest enhancements and improvements from our team.
Stay up to date—get the latest update now!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums58
Topics84,280
Posts777,300
Members39,610
| |
Most Online25,754
Jan 24th, 2025
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
There are no members with birthdays on this day. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean