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Hi,
My eight-year-old son has been learning the piano for a year now, and his homeworks starts to get a bit over my head... But in order to help him remember how the piano piece should be played, I thought of buying a piece of software that I could enter the notes from his music sheets, and which could then play back the piece the way it should be via the MIDI-interface on his Casio piano. I have downloaded a test version of Finale Song Writer, and this software can do this, and I can even change tempo and mute the right-hand staff, for example.
However, I thought that there might be a good idea to add some thing extra when he is struggling with his excercises, and that's why I thought of Band-in-a-Box, which hopefully could add some nice sounding accompaniment to his piano pieces and make the excercise moments more of a joy???
But as I am not a musician myself, I thought it best to ask you folks who have more experience with the software!
So in brief, my question is:
Is it possible to easily enter the notes from my sons paper music sheets and then let Band-in-a-Box play it back?
Is it also possible to "mute" the piano staff? So he can practice one hand at the time, and both hands, and let Band-in-a-Box accompany his piano via the MIDI-interface?
If it is not possible to enter the notes directly into Band-in-a-Box it might be able to import the files from e.g. Finale Songwriter in some exchange format???
Any other suggestions that might help my son learning the piano and making the excerices more fun are most welcome!
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Hi. I don't play piano, so this area of questions is not my strength, but I feel confident in saying that BIAB can do what you want, with a little work on your part.
Yes, you can enter notes from piano sheet music into BIAB. The method is somewhat different (and I think, better) than Finale. Also, be aware that, when his music gets more complicated, there are programs that can scan sheet music directly into notation programs, and then that could be moved over to BIAB.
You can transfer data between music programs using a file format called MIDI Format 1. All serious programs support that. A few also support the newer Music XML format, but BIAB does not at this time.
I have to look in BIAB about splitting the piano staff. You could always choose to enter the two hands into different tracks in BIAB, so it would be easy to mute one or the other (or both).
As for playing accompaniment with the melody that would make things more fun, that is the strength and main purpose of BIAB. The catch is, you have to enter the chord symbols so the program understands what to generate as accompaniment. Some piano scores have chord symbols, some do not. If it does not, you would need to find someone who could tell you what the chords are. BIAB does have a utility called Audio Chord Wizard if you have an audio recording of the song, to guess the chords.
I'm sure the keyboard players here may have better ideas.
Also, I note that you are running a test version of Finale. BIAB doesn't have a demo version at the moment, but does have an unconditional 30-day money-back return policy. I don't know anyone who ever returned it, though!
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Biab also has some instrument training/practice software. I'm not sure if they are sold separate or not? Take a look at their "software" link on their main page for more information.
Here is one thing I can testify about Biab: If your son will play along with some of the backings or demos in Biab every day, his "chops" will definitely improve. I play by ear and following chord changes in Biab. My Piano playing has improved immensely over time with Biab as my go-to source of all things music.
Start him out with as much of the Biab Package you can afford and you can always upgrade in the future. PG Music is hands-down "The Best" company I have ever done business with. There is a guaranteed 30 day money back refund if you are not 100% satisfied.
Their software now utilizes Real Track instruments which were recorded by professional musicians in a studio. They are improved and real sounding instruments that accompany your chord changes in Biab. Listening to how they play along will also inspire your son to learn some of their "riffs."
Biab is a fantastic software to learn and play along with as well as make your own custom songs and backing tracks with. Truly worth the investment, ask anyone on this forum.
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A good piano teacher is way more helpful than any software. Band-in-a-Box cannot assist your son's playing developing expression, phrasing, musicality in the sense of what's between the notes on your son's staff lines. Band-in-a-Box may motivate your son, though, having fun playing along with a band - even within his own shed or something. His playing would need to be somewhat solid for this purpose, though, since Band-in-a-Box is like a metronome quite sturdy in its timing. This may potentially hamper your son's motivation. Band-in-a-Box does not listen to his playing - as would a live band or other software concepts such as the -> Smartmusic approach. Irrespectively of the potential caveats, Band-in-a-Box has great educational value. It comes with a great library of songs, often played by beginning instrumentalists. Just look at the leadsheet of "Für Elise", say, and capture its harmonic underpinnings at a glance. This alone may be a worthwhile support of otherwise classical piano teaching.
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Thanks all of you for your kind answers! And I forgot to tell that he does have a "live" piano-teacher who comes to give him a lesson once a week. The problem for me is that after a day or so my son has forgotten some of the things in his homework and how it is supposed to be played, and I cannot help him enough, so that's why I thought that maybe by transferring the sheet music (his homework in paper form) to the computer via one of the Finale software, he will at least be able to hear how the piece should sound like, how you are supposed to count the rests, etc, and also be able to slow down the tune in order to have a better chance in the beginning to hit the right key and maybe to start out just with the right OR the left hand in order to lower the threshold a bit in the beginning! And it sounds as if I can do all this with BIAB and on top of it enhance the practice situation even further by "bringing in" a full orchestre into our living-room as a back-up band... I noticed that the version "Print Music" of the Finale software suite, has a scanning function which means that the transferring process will be sped up conciderably! Thanks once again!
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I have taught music, piano private lessons inclusive, for more years now than I'd like to mention and must tell you that, even though Band in a Box software can be quite the learning tool, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND USING BAND IN A BOX for this stated purpose as it would only provide a "crutch" for the beginning student, allowing a path whereas they could lean on the playback of the program to learn that which they are supposed to be learning to READ and play by ear.
Such would lead to larger problems further down the line for the student.
The best answer here is to keep up the encouragement.
Offering small rewards for overcoming slight hurdles that the parent defines can often make this situation a faster path for both student and parent, but by all means don't do the child the disservice of making it a different process than it must be by providing ways to cut corners. Learning to read the chart and all is of paramount importance here and it does often take some time and patience before the light bulb comes on, but once it does, that hurdle is behind you and it is on to the next one.
Talk this over with the teacher, that is likely the best path at this point.
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If he forgets how something sounds once the teacher is gone I would think that a small recorder of some sort would be the answer maybe even an inexpensive dictating machine that he can set recording whilst the teacher is there..
Last edited by joemardo1; 02/16/11 08:40 AM.
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I teach guitar and I have a couple of students who record the entire session using the $80 USD Tascam DR-03 I’m also on the same wavelength as Mac, do not create a crutch for the student. I only use BiaB to create backing tracks for those students who are experienced enough to start learning improvisation and/or jamming. I would suggest recording the lessons now and later use Biab for backing tracks. I hope this helps.
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I have been playing for "just a few year" and can offer this insight. I am a self taught musician mostly guitar. I have played in combos, swing bands, and pit orchestras for light opera. Some of these required the reading of charts. Most of the music I could handle in my somewhat strange and obscure counting methods, but when I had to start sight reading Tower of Power and Bill Chase charts, I was in trouble. So at this late stage I began music lessons, and it was a revelation! The reason for my preamble is that I have had my struggles with the more complex rhythms, however that is what the teacher is for, and he is an excellent instructor. I agree with Mac in that stick with the lessons, approach them the way the teacher is giving them, and be prepared for the hurdles. If everything was easy we would all be Mozarts. So although I have used BIAB for years I do not use it for doing my music lessons. I use BIAB to apply my music lessons to something and "have fun". Hmmmm doesn's someone else say that. I say buy it but use it as an extension to the musical experience.DennisD
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http://www.finalemusic.com/Finale/W-ProductComparison.aspxI just did a quick search on Google for "Finale Products Comparison Chart" and came up with this URL. Give it a try and see if it might help, at least on the Finale part. Good Luck, Phestus
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In the first post, the OP said: Quote:
But as I am not a musician myself, I thought it best to ask you folks who have more experience with the software!
Not being a musician is the problem here, not the choice of software.
Again, any use of software at this stage of the game is more likely to create a crutch for the student to lean on rather than get the basics going for the student. What seems to be a pleasant shortcut now will turn into a big problem later down the line.
*Talk this over with the teacher.*
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