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Hello everyone. I am not sure if this is a vent or a question.
I have been experiencing problems with some of the solo and melody parts where they don't seem to flow from measure to measure. The part chimes in for the measure and drops out and comes back in for the next measure with no continuity.
1.) Is there a setting someplace where this can be fixed to sound like a true solo/melody with normal breathing breaks and play?
I am trying the organ part and it sounds like every chord change has a completely different sounding organ. The sound will bounce from deep rich tone with vibrato on one chord and immediately jump up an octave and change tone completely for the next chord.
2.) I have found similar problems when using other Real Tracks. This has made me reluctant to purchase new updates.
Any suggestions?
RickeG
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1.) Is there a setting someplace where this can be fixed to sound like a true solo/melody with normal breathing breaks and play? Not sure what you are asking. Are you referring to generating a soloist, that generates itself around the Melody part? Or something else? >>> I am trying the organ part and it sounds like every chord change has a completely different sounding organ. The sound will bounce from deep rich tone with vibrato on one chord and immediately jump up an octave and change tone completely for the next chord. Not sure which organ RealTracks # you are trying. The ones I listen to don't change tone completely every chord. For example, I just generated one of our demos, the song _JAZO110.SGU Please listen to this one: http://nn.pgmusic.com/pgfiles/jazzu/misc/_JAZO110.mp4That last demo has organ playing bass and chording (as they usually do). With 2011.5, we also have jazz organs that don't play bass ... Jazz Organ w/ Acoustic Bass: http://nn.pgmusic.com/pgfiles/jazzu/misc/_JORGNBS.mp4I don't hear many changes of tone, if you do, please let me know. Otherwise, please advise which organ RT # you are referring to.... Note that it is "normal" for organ to change timbres at sometimes. Not every chord, but sometimes. >>> 2.) I have found similar problems when using other Real Tracks. This has made me reluctant to purchase new updates. Complete change of tone with every chord on other RealTracks too? I havent seen anything like that. Which ones? 2.) I have found similar problems when using other Real Tracks. This has made me reluctant to purchase new updates.
Have Fun!
Peter Gannon
PG Music Inc.
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Thank you, Peter, for replying. I sent the support contact an email that contains a brief audio file with screen shot of the chords for your review. I think this is the best way to express my issue.
One, the solo sounds choppy and almost as if the player is looking at the chart for the first time "on the fly" and reacting to the chord change when he comes upon it; hence the broken solo lines with a disconnection between phrasings. Then, 2 measures before completion the soloist spits out a few last notes that gets chopped out leaving no resolution to the phrase.
Two, camping on the wrong notes. One example I have is where the progression is moving chromatically from C#m7 - Bm7 over the span of three bars. What happens is the soloist will hit the "Ab" while in the Cm7 chord causing an awful conflict when holding it for a the entire measure.
Thanks again for looking at this. And if there is something I need to do differently that will correct this, please advise me.
RickeG
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I have seen the same thing since the RT were introduced. My beef is like you said, the solos have no "flow", they jump from one end of their scale to another within a chord change. I just got in the habit of generating 3 of 4 solos & then creating a comp track in my DAW....works for me! 
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>>> Two, camping on the wrong notes. One example I have is where the progression is moving chromatically from C#m7 - Bm7 over the span of three bars. What happens is the soloist will hit the "Ab" while in the Cm7 chord causing an awful conflict when holding it for a the entire measure.
In general, the solos sound better the more "typical" the chord progression is. This is not much different from real musicians in this regard.
For example, you'll get a better solo from this
| Dm7 | G7 | CMaj7 | <------ typical chord progression
than this
| Dm7 AbMaj7 | Gm7b5 | Eb7 | <-------- atypical chord progression
Of course it depends on the genre, the above example is jazz. If it is country, then typical country progressions will have the best results in solos.
Have Fun!
Peter Gannon
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Thanks Peter, I did not know that. Not having much of an understanding as to how the concept works, I assumed that it would respond to whatever unique chordal patterns I would write. Now that I understand there is something in the construction of the Real Tracks that can connect with continuity from measure to measure if the chord changes are predictable, I will keep that in mind.
I probably am one of the toughest customers in that I see an idea like this and think to myself, "I can really experiment and stretch beyond the borders of the predictable because I am not having to explain to other musicians what I am after."
My writing style jumps from Jazz to Funk to Pop Rock. Can you recommend a Real Track package that offers soloists (given that standard chord structure scenario) that can meet these three genres? As a guitarist, I would not need any Guitar Real Tracks; just bass, drum, keys, and horns.
On one of my jazz compositions I use the trumpeter who is fabulous. The Track really nailed what I was looking for.
RickeG
Last edited by RickeG; 07/09/11 07:53 AM.
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Hey jcspro40,
That is interesting. Do you save the song each time under a different name and then pull all the songs together to extract the soloists to get the final solo you are looking for?
I use Cakewalk Sonar as my DAW. It is a very easy app for splicing and tweaking. I had done something similar to what you did only using two different solo instruments. I liked the solo in one song that I exported the solo so it would not get overwritten when I worked on the next solo portion of the song.
I had put on the wish list some time ago the request when selecting Generate, or Play, the only changes would occur to the specific instruments and/or bars and not the entire tune because you sacrifice parts that you like in order to correct the portion you did not like. I am told Real Band does that. But, I have had so many other issues with that app, I had to lay it down. I am sure they are end user preference issues when you get used to one environment you are stubborn about learning another's.
I would like to bounce ideas with you. You sound like you are working on similar projects that require you sometimes to go outside the "BOX" to put it together.
RickeG
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