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One way to see if it is the routing -
Open a new seq file
highlite every available device in the drivers input window
click OK and hit record.

Every device will record to its own track so you can see if any of the selections are getting a signal. If one does, count how many tracks down it is and compare it to the list. Yes they will record and not show in the VU.

Maybe RB mislabels the inputs (?)
This test would find out.

How does the M-Audio connect to the computer? USB, PCI, Firewire?




I don't know what that means "every available device". What "device" are you talking about? Recording input? You can only use one or the other (input 1-2 or input 3-4), and I tried both. And I knew 3-4 was wrong because it is turned off in the control panel. M-Audio 1-2 is my default recording "device" if that is the context you are using that term.

And again, I keep coming back to this, it works with Sonar so there is not a hardware issue. The M-Audio is routing, as controlled by Windows sound hardware in control panel, not BIAB, and if I can record in Sonar, nothing in setup is preventing me from recording in BIAB.

Pulled my hair out for 2 hours last night over this, and this is all wasted time. So back to "create with BIAB, record to Tascam, play overdub tracks into Tascam"... I know that works for me. Real Band does not.

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To clarify - There have been times when a device gets mislabeled or put out of order in RB. It's rare.

To see if something is happening with RB you should first go to audio preferences and change the box for mono track recording option that lists Left, Right, or L&R .. set to select L&R. Just to be sure all possibilities are covered.

Now go to the Drivers section (drivers button) and highlite EVERY available input at the same time by just clicking them.

Then go to RB and record to a stereo track while inputing signal (just for a couple seconds).
The driver listed first will record onto the first track. The next driver down will automatically record to the second track, third down to third, etc. It will do this for all enabled drivers (and yes I called them devices earlier).

Most users do not multitrack so would not have known about this feature.
This will tell if something weird is going on inside RB like inputs are labeled wrong .. or the sound is getting routed to MS Sound mapper or something. It's a test worth trying. It's quick, easy and I should have thought of this much sooner.
This trick will tell you if RB is getting audio at all anywhere.

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As for your rendering problem; try clicking the rebuild button in the realtracks dialogue. See if that realtrack start functioning.


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The output VU meters are fine. When I try to record a little Hammond sound over that song we worked with, the input VUs do not move, it doe snot record, but I can hear the synth as I play it. That tells me it is hitting the interface but not going through it to the software. When I stop the record, it asks if I want to keep the take. I say yes. I play back, nothing. The track does not show any wave activity.






You say you are using a "Synth". Then you say "no wave activity".

Simple question - just ignor if not applicable but, are you recording midi or audio?

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If you are recording MIDI data from your keyboard, you won't see any activity on the VU meters. The VU meters only register audio. If you are hitting keys on the synth and they are connected to the synth port on your M-Audio, then you need to make the record track a MIDI track. Once recorded, it should play through whatever your output synth is.

Otherwise, if you are using line-out audio from your synth plugged into an audio input on your M-Audio, then you should be receiving audio and you should see the VU meters. I've got the M-Audio FastTrack Pro and that's how it works for me in RealBand.


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Otherwise, if you are using line-out audio from your synth plugged into an audio input on your M-Audio, then you should be receiving audio and you should see the VU meters. I've got the M-Audio FastTrack Pro and that's how it works for me in RealBand.




1/4" plug I took right out of my Mackie mixer and plugged into the input on the front of the M-Audio. No disrespect or snippy attitude intended, but I know the difference between MIDI data and audio signal.

The track is set as an audio track, and I have used every input option offered by RB at least 3 times. (All of them show as M-Audio 1-2, by the way, is BIAB/RB does not give me any choice outside of the correct one. I pushed that input gain so high I thought my headphones were going to burst just to see if it was WEAK signal or NO signal. The answer was NO signal. Yet, I closed BIAB, booted Sonar, and recorded 8 bars of the B that the keyboard was sending. And that was touching nothing but the computer keyboard. Big X to close BIAB, double click to launch Sonar, new file, audio track, default input, beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep... recorded 16 seconds of it. Closed Sonar, loaded BIAB, created new song, track 1, set to audio, input M-Audio 1-2 stereo, nothing. Then input M-Audio 1-2 mono, nothing. Then it was 2am and I went to bed angry. This was after 90 minutes of digging through FAQ which only showed me how to connect stuff, not how to troubleshoot it when it failed.

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You say you are using a "Synth". Then you say "no wave activity".

Simple question - just ignor if not applicable but, are you recording midi or audio?




Audio. I should have seen sine wave on the track and activity on the input VU meter. I was recording HOT too just to see if it was a level issue, so hot that I could not wear my headphones lest I risk hearing damage.

As I said in the next post, this was after 90 minutes of fishing in the FAQ, and it was 2am so I just quit and went to bed angry that software that purports itself to be plug and play is not so. A simple function like recording audio should not require 90 minutes of digging through help files. Plug it in, hit record, and go. There is no troubleshooting help, just "plug A into B" type stuff. Well, when "A into B" doesn't work, we need more.

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I have had nothing but trouble with the ASIO driver on my M-Audio Fast Track Pro. I don't know if it's the driver or if PG Music's problem, but the ASIO leads to crashes, sometimes giving me the message that my ASIO driver is for MAC.

The simple solution is to switch to MME. Absolutely crash-free. But it still is a nuisance if you wish to run ASIO.

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I have had nothing but trouble with the ASIO driver on my M-Audio Fast Track Pro. I don't know if it's the driver or if PG Music's problem, but the ASIO leads to crashes, sometimes giving me the message that my ASIO driver is for MAC.

The simple solution is to switch to MME. Absolutely crash-free. But it still is a nuisance if you wish to run ASIO.

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Same here, John. Using MME.

And NEVER say "driver" here. You will get 27 people telling you that you need to upgrade the driver, even though it worked yesterday.... meanwhile sound drivers are generic to a point where if they were ice cream, they would be vanilla.

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After chatting in another forum, I went to try Real Band.




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On the next restart, I got an error message and a crash that my ASIO drivers were not correctly installed.




Eddie, this is from your original post. You were talking about recording into Real Band and all of our responses were directed to RB, now you're saying you're trying to record into Biab??

IF you had both RB and Biab open at the same time using ASIO, that will crash one of them and cause all sorts of problems because ASIO is usually only available to one open program at a time. Is that what you did?

And please be very specific which program are you talking about.

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Eddie, this is from your original post. You were talking about recording into Real Band and all of our responses were directed to RB, now you're saying you're trying to record into Biab??

IF you had both RB and Biab open at the same time using ASIO, that will crash one of them and cause all sorts of problems because ASIO is usually only available to one open program at a time. Is that what you did?





I only had RealBand open. I then opened a song I had created in BIAB. After having to totally recreate the solo section because RB did not import/load/recognize/translate from the BIAB song, at least those 8 bars worked.

I then went to an empty track, set it as an audio track (I know the difference between audio and MIDI), plugged my Ensoniq ESQ-1 into the #1 input of my M-Audio Fast Track Pro MIDI interface, which is connected via USB, using the same cable with 1/4" plugs that normally plugs it into my Mackie mixer, and taped a key down (specifically a B above middle C) so the keyboard was outputting. I hit record on RB. The song played. However, the VU meters did not show any input.

When that failed I closed all PG products. With that ESQ-1 still playing B above middle C. I loaded Sonar. Created a new file, assigned an audio track, hit record, and Sonar recorded that audio stream, showed me sine waves in the track... all of it. Closed down Sonar. Still not touching hardware AT ALL, I loaded RB again. This time instead of overdub, I created a new song. Set track 1 as audio, input from the only input source I have the option to use, which is M-Audio 1-2 in RB language, and it still will not record live audio.

I tend to consider BIAB and RB as the same product since they both come from the same place. Like BIAB, and then RB being BIAB on steroids.

Please no more driver talk. There is not a problem with any drivers. They work. The driver will not pick and choose which programs it will and won't work with. The driver is a hardware function. If it works in Sonar and Finale is HAS to work with BIAB and RB. If it failed in Sonar then I would accept driver talk. But once again, my interface will not say "I am going to work with Sonar but not you, BIAB or RB.. nyah nyah nyah." That part of the game is black and white, yes or no, on or off. No shades of gray.

I am SO stumped by this.

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It sounds like you've been switching driver types (ASIO to MME) as well as switching programs within the same session. That should work fine, but once a problem occurs, it will likely recur within the same Windows session.

If things are not working, you should reboot Windows, and start up with MME and stick with it.


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...I closed BIAB, booted Sonar,...




So, what does this mean? Just a typo or were you trying to record in Biab? Different protocol for Biab.

Also regardless of what you think, never ever put Biab and RB together and think they're either the same program or first cousins even. They are not. Think of RB like it's Reaper or something else. Just because they grafted some Biab functions into Power Tracks does not make it Biab. When Mercedes bought Chrysler a few years ago did that suddenly make all Chryslers Benz's? Of course not.

Also, even though I understand your feelings perfectly you should post with a bit more humility. Just sayin. When you read these forums and nobody is having this kind of problem, just you, what does that tell you? I've been recording both audio and midi for years and years first with Power Tracks and now RB. There's no problem with the program buddy. Simple as that. You may know computers but you don't know DAW's and/or your M-Audio interface. You may have figured out Sonar but like Mac said every DAW is completely different with their configurations and they all use their own language for it too. Just the way it is.

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Did you ever try recording with all available input drivers enabled? I know you have said M-Audio 1/2 is your only choice, but since you are running windows I would think that the MS Soundmapper would still show up (unless you specifically uninstalled it which would be difficult) especially when using MME.

So have you tried recording every available port at once just as a test yet? Whether you call them drivers or devices it is an important setup step to find the correct one. Windows has been known to mix/match devices via drivers before. Hence my post about incorrect labeling of drivers(devices) earlier. RB uses the driver to select which input device it is recording.

I'll look back (again) to see if I missed results for this.
/sorry for the 'driver' talk, but in RB drivers point to devices so it is the most relevant solution. Your device is not recording after all.

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So, what does this mean? Just a typo or were trying to record in Biab?

Also regardless of what you think, never ever put Biab and RB together and think they're either the same program or first cousins even. They are not. Think of RB like it's Reaper or something. Just because they grafted some Biab functions into Power Tracks does not make it Biab.

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Part 1, yes typo. I was working totally in Real Band.

Part 2. I was not changing drivers. I was looking at options. I am in MME and have always been.

Part 3. That would mean more if I knew what Reaper is, other than the guy with the scythe who started following me around in June....

I would love to use Real Band exclusively like so many of the more experienced people do. But the advantage of doing so is that I can add live tracks and eliminate the dumping to the Tascam 8 track direct to disc recorder and layering that way. If that doesn't work, then Real Band holds no advantage for me over BIAB and I will just use BIAB. Real Band plays the same celebrity snippets and clips them into an arrangement like BIAB, right? The advantage is that it's a multitrack sequencer that replaces (in my case) Sonar. But if I can't record live input....

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The point is you CAN record live input. Hundreds (probably thousands) of us do it every day.
Look up above and try what I suggested and let me know if anything happens. If not then there is something weird going on. If you record every available input at once and get nothing, RB doesn't recognize your interface (most likely) and that would be really rare for RB, since it is an M-Audio device.


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Part 3. That would mean more if I knew what Reaper is, other than the guy with the scythe who started following me around in June....




Ok, fair enough. Reaper is another highly regarded DAW. I know you're an old pro musician, you're also an old pro computer tech but you're a total noob when it comes to DAW's. Just post accordingly, that's all.
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Hi, Eddie -

No disrespect received; however, I don't know what you know and can only visualize your setup, so I'm just trying to help.

And don't dismiss drivers necessarily. I had a problem once where everything worked great in BIAB but not in (at the time PowerTracks, since this was pre-RealBand). It just didn't make sense to me...I was doing essentially the same thing in both, but it didn't work. And no one else on the forum could duplicate the problem. Turned out, after contacting the device manufacturer, that it was in fact the driver and with the help of both PGMusic and myself pressing for a fix, the manufacturer finally provided the fix. Everyone else on the forum was not having the problem and couldn't understand why I did. Once I updated the new driver, everything worked properly.

Even with my M-Audio Fast Track Pro, I had to make sure I used the driver from the web site, not the one that came on the CD in order for it to work properly with Windows 7 64-bit. Once I did that, everything fell into place.

There are many of us on the forum that use an M-Audio interface successfully, so there must be a problem somewhere. So it's either a matter of figuring out where the problem is, or just writing it off and not using the product. That's your decision; however, RealBand does a lot of neat things that you just can't do with BIAB (or even another Digital Audio Workstation - DAW).

And Reaper is just the name of another company's DAW offering, just like Sonar, Cubase, Tracktion, and others are. I guess it's one you're not familiar with, but there was a time I didn't know what Sonar was (I thought it was what submarines used to find target ships), but I did know what Cakewalk was. We just live and learn everyday.

I can say this - lots of folks are trying to help you here, but that help will start dropping off quickly if you keep cussing out the folks giving that help.

No one's questioning your abilities, but we're just trying to get to the bottom of the problem. I've helped longtimers who can run rings around me and they have helped me. That's why we hang out here. RHarv and I spent a lot of time working with one guy to ultimately find out he had a bad motherboard. Here's a secret - (Shhhhh!!) IT happens!!!

But it's up to you. We can either help you figure out why it's not working on your computer or you decide not to use RealBand.


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Comparing Sonar to Realband is like comparing WinMovieMaker to Adobe Premier. They are different. RB needs more attention to set up, but once done it is well worth the effort.

If you record ALL available drivers (and hence devices) you will know if RB is seeing anything at all.

At least *try* recording with all devices enabled as described earlier in the thread. If you get an error it may point to the source of the problem. If it records on a track that seems wrong, it may be an RB or Windows labeling issue.. Point is that this test eliminates a lot of possibilities.
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open RB fresh
make sure the checkbox for L,R or L&R is set to 'L&R' in the "Options-Preferences-Audio tab" area
Click the Drivers button and select every available driver (device) by highliting them all
go back to RB Tracks window and select a blank stereo audio track

and then try to record.
If RB sees nothing on any of the resulting tracks, there is a different issue. This will answer a lot of questions really quickly. You *should* see multiple tracks (one for each for each driver selected) after 'keep take' dialogue.

If you go to "Options-Preferences-Audio tab-drivers" and see more than one instance listed for M-Audio 1/2 then it's possible multiple drivers are installed and causing problems. If you see only that input and nothing else listed I'd say the drivers are wrong for your device (even if they work in Sonar).


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The point is you CAN record live input. Hundreds (probably thousands) of us do it every day.
Look up above and try what I suggested and let me know if anything happens. If not then there is something weird going on. If you record every available input at once and get nothing, RB doesn't recognize your interface (most likely) and that would be really rare for RB, since it is an M-Audio device.




Okay you are losing me with "try all inputs". I assume what you are calling an input is what RB is calling a port. When I assign the track, every input is the same input.

Selection screen here

That is what I am plugged in to. Port 1 on my interface. I don't know where else you mean that I can change anything.

While recording - note VU meters are dead

Keeping take

Track shows data

Playing back - note VU meters are dead

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Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac!

With your version 2025 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Or upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!

These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!

This Free Bonus PAK includes:

  • The 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK: -For Pro customers, this includes 33 new RealTracks and 65+ new RealStyles. -For MegaPAK customers, this includes 29 new RealTracks and 45+ new RealStyles. -For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
  • Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
  • Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
  • MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
  • Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
  • Playable RealTracks Set 4
  • RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
  • SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
  • 128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.

Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:

  • 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
  • FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
  • Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
  • Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
  • MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
  • Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
  • RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe

Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!

New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!

Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!

We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!

In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!

All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.

Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!

We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!

We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!

If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!

Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.

Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!

Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!

We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!

In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!

All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.

Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

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