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Hello BrainTrust/BrainTrustees
Yesterday I opened a BIAB SGU file, from the RB "Open". It was a full song from BIAB with frozen RTs and midi tracks, part markers, as well as 6 tempo changes rimmed in red as it is in the BIAB Chord Window.
The file regenerated just fine in RB. When I opened the RB Chord Window I saw that there were two "red-rimmed" part markers where I had placed tempo changes in the BIAB Chord Window - but the other 4 tempo changes were missing from the RB Chord Window . . . All of the tempo changes were in the Tempo windows though.
The weirdness is - I have never before noticed a red-rimmed part-marker in the RB Chord Window.
Was this a new feature I missed??? I looked all morning to see if I could locate an option for allowing that to happen, or an option way to allow me to put in the missing 4 tempo changes. No Luck.
Is this a viable feature, or a bug? Is it familiar to anyone?
My own thoughts are "What a great idea to have the BIAB Chord Window/WorkSheet transferred in total to the RB Chord Window." Yes?
Cheer - Ian
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Yes, cool idea, not sure what happened with the red tempo changes; never tried to do the tempo changes in BiaB.
My question - what version are you using? Many are having issue with generating Realtracks in RB if there is any tempo change at all lately. Is it an older version? Or are we learning that you can bring in tempo changes fom Biab but not create them in RB ..
The problem is with generating Realtracks; did you do only MIDI? This caught my attention!
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Hi Bob - just read your response. BIAB is my 1 Chorus sketch pad. Some of my part-markers are usually where I do tempo changes. I use both Midi and RTs in BIAB - if I like something I freeze it - again midi and RT. I save as - SGU. Being slightly distrusting, I also save my RTs from BIAB as Audio files. Then what I did yesterday, I closed BIAB and I opened RealBand . . . .none of this "Drag to DAW" . . . and I opened the SGU file. And as I said above everything was there - all 6 tempo changes. How the red-rimmed part-markers happened - I have no idea? Maybe I'll test it after this current mix is in the can. Hopefully we'll hear from others too - 1 way or the other. Ian  PS I'm using all of the recent builds for BIAB and RB PPS The only regenerating I do is not in midi but if I add another RT The other thing I do - because I like to rename tracks and move them around - I change all BB Tracks to normal tracks.
Last edited by Ian Fraser; 08/09/11 01:37 PM.
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Ian, you generated with tempo changes and it worked? What you posted may be very helpful to development.
If your versions are current, have you done the 'erase un-needed files' thing and are using the newer Elastique engine?
Or still running 'old-school'?
You sound like you just generated realtracks with tempo changes incorporated, and a lot of us are struggling with that in RB right now..
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An important thing to remember - my RTS were Frozen in BIAB, then appeared to generate into RB with the rest of the file - including my vocal.
Since I saved and Froze the RTs as wavs in BIAB - I have to check if the frozen generation is the same as the saved audio wav.
I will check tomorrow, and then I will try to regenerate a new RT and see what happens with the 6 tempo changes in RB.
Ian
PS - No, I ahve not gotten rid of the +/- files but I do have new engine.
My CPU is a single core 2.4 Intel with 2.5 RAM.
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I tried a song here that had a tempo chang and a frozen RT.
1. I don't get any red boxes at the tempo change
2. the tempo change shows in the Tempo window
3. The tempo change occurs
4. The RT changes tempo
5. The frozen RT does regenerate but not sure if it's the same as the frozen.
Rharv,
No struggle with tempo changes in RB at all EXCEPT if there is a tempo change, and you want to replace part of a RT, when you try to highlight part of a track say 4 measures it'll do the RT for 4 measures but adds a few measures of silence after. Not a problem unless you are trying to do this in the middle of a track that already has a RT on it because it puts in those bars of silence. Just to clarify.
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Morning John
I did some checking this morning on frozen BIAB Tracks as well as the same tracks saved as BIAB "wav".
1. The frozen as you found regenerated in RB as it was frozen in BIAB.
2. I know this because I imported the same frozen track as I saved it as a wave file in BIAB.
3. Both files - frozen and saved wav - are identical in RB.
When you imported the BIAB file, John, did you use the "drop" or did you use the "open" in the File menu???
I used the "open SGU".
Could that make a difference in what's transferred to RB. Since I only use PG Products, I am old school in transferring to RB - no drag and drop.
Now I'm gonna try generating an RT from within my RB SEQ that has 6 tempo changes, as well a portion of an RT across several changes. And see if I get any blank bars.
Ian
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I can confirm that there is a bug when trying to regenerate X number of bars in a file with 6 tempos.
1. I have a Brent Solo - full track beginning to end - 6 tempo changes.
2. Decided to regenerate bars 38 to 47.
3. Bars regenerated OK, but everything after bar 47 just disappeared.
4. Is that because of the multi-tempos??
5. Undo Generate restored the original track.
1. Created a full Brent solo track with the multi tempo changes
2. Tried to replace 9 bars and it regenerated the 9 bars - then left 1 bar after the regen
3. But the rest of the track disappeared.
Obviously there is an "insert" bug when it comes to reading multi-tempo changes.
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Quote:
I can confirm that there is a bug when trying to regenerate X number of bars in a file with 6 tempos.
1. I have a Brent Solo - full track beginning to end - 6 tempo changes.
2. Decided to regenerate bars 38 to 47.
3. Bars regenerated OK, but everything after bar 47 just disappeared.
4. Is that because of the multi-tempos??
5. Undo Generate restored the original track.
1. Created a full Brent solo track with the multi tempo changes
2. Tried to replace 9 bars and it regenerated the 9 bars - then left 1 bar after the regen
3. But the rest of the track disappeared.
Obviously there is an "insert" bug when it comes to reading multi-tempo changes.
This is a reported issue that I've yet to get a response.
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Morning John
I did some checking this morning on frozen BIAB Tracks as well as the same tracks saved as BIAB "wav".
1. The frozen as you found regenerated in RB as it was frozen in BIAB.
2. I know this because I imported the same frozen track as I saved it as a wave file in BIAB.
3. Both files - frozen and saved wav - are identical in RB.
When you imported the BIAB file, John, did you use the "drop" or did you use the "open" in the File menu???
I used the "open SGU".
Could that make a difference in what's transferred to RB. Since I only use PG Products, I am old school in transferring to RB - no drag and drop.
Now I'm gonna try generating an RT from within my RB SEQ that has 6 tempo changes, as well a portion of an RT across several changes. And see if I get any blank bars.
Ian
I use the open command. D&D takes 20 minutes to complete. Always has even on my new computer. I've reported this also but.............
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Yup John - I know you had reported this - just wanted to let you know
I had the problem too.
Ian
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Quote:
I can confirm that there is a bug when trying to regenerate X number of bars in a file with 6 tempos.
1. I have a Brent Solo - full track beginning to end - 6 tempo changes.
2. Decided to regenerate bars 38 to 47.
3. Bars regenerated OK, but everything after bar 47 just disappeared.
4. Is that because of the multi-tempos??
5. Undo Generate restored the original track.
1. Created a full Brent solo track with the multi tempo changes
2. Tried to replace 9 bars and it regenerated the 9 bars - then left 1 bar after the regen
3. But the rest of the track disappeared.
Obviously there is an "insert" bug when it comes to reading multi-tempo changes.
Ian,
Doesn't have to be multiple tempo changes for this to happen. This bug will crop up with even one tempo change inserted in a song. And as John indicated in a different post, it will also occur even if the sole "tempo change" message inserted is at the *same* tempo as the original tempo of the song.
Terry
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Thanks Terry for the heads up. This experience I was detailing was from RB2011.5 Build 4. I think tomorrow I'm going back to 2011 (4) and see how much of a difference the 2011.5 upgrade made in causing this problem. I'll use the current 6 tempo SEQ just to see. Cheers - Ian
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Thanks Terry for the heads up.
This experience I was detailing was from RB2011.5 Build 4.
I think tomorrow I'm going back to 2011 (4) and see how much of a difference the 2011.5 upgrade made in causing this problem. I'll use the current 6 tempo SEQ just to see.
Cheers - Ian
Ian, I can tell you from my own experience that you will find the same problem in any version of RB 2011 and 2011.5 that has been issued so far. Before I purchased the 2011 (and then the 2011.5) version, I was running RB 2010 (not 2010.5), and this problem did not exist with that version. For me it only cropped up near the end of December when I purchased 2011. I think the problem is related in some way to Elastique, which was introduced with the 2011 version.
Terry
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Discovered for myself that the problem was still in 2011.
Terry I think you're right - it may be tempo conflicting with the new stretch engine. It will do the whole track of tempo changes, but not a regenerated insert - beyond me when it comes to "all-gory-ythms".
But then you guys know the problems with 2011 too.
Ian
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