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My old L-5CES is likely loaded with now outlawed tonewoods.
But my response is exactly the same as when anyone tries to take *anything* of mine away, be it gun, guitar, wife, children or even the old family bible, for that matter:
You want it?
Come and get it.
Then we shall soon see how BAD you want it.
Read into that what you will.
But never, never tread on me.
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I still have my XV-5080, with some boards in it. Key part of my hardware! 
It's old technology, but I still love my XV-3080! ... it has 3 expansion boards, room for several more, built-in effects, more features and capability than I can begin to comprehend, built-in routing to send different tracks to different output jacks, plenty of excellent upper bank patches, an editor to tweak the patches, a bunch of pre-settable performances, total control of every feature via MIDI CC, and more polyphony than some of Roland's later sound modules.
Plus, they seem to last forever and you can still get them on Ebay for a very low price. When I switched from stomp boxes to rack gear it was a reasonably priced choice that fit my schema.
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Eddie,
Thanks for posting this. I watched the whole thing and I wish I’d gotten a note pad and pencil ready for the interview.
A few things stuck out, (speaking from the Gibson CEO POV, aka boss man's point of view).
A summarization of Mr. Juszkiewicz comments follows:
1. The “WTF” expression is extremely hard to wipe off my face!
2. The Lacey Act is hard to understand, …… especially since they keep changing it!
3. We’ve tried really hard to comply with the ever changing Lacey Act!
4. They won’t even tell us what we’re accused of doing!
5. Swat teams are inappropriate for raiding a guitar company! Are we gonna “shoot back” with a Les Paul, or smack'em with an ebony fingerboard?
6. I wish the hell I’d had our lawyer do this interview because I don’t have a friggin’ clue about what we alledgedly did wrong!
7. We just wanna make great guitars!
If you guys can make time, … please watch this interview. It's the perfect example of an American business trying like hell to comply with international law. Jeez!
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I just read an article in the September 27, 2010, issue of "Forbes" magazine that finally and definitively reveals where Obama is coming from. The short version is that he is, in fact, consciously and deliberately trying to destroy American exceptionalism based on the anticolonial revolutionary aspirations of his father, who was a dedicated capital-C Communist. Basically he is punishing the United States for having succeeded. Everything, including the action against Gibson, makes sense in the context of this outlook. Bold text is a link.
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. It's the perfect example of an American business trying like hell to comply with international law. Jeez!
So this poses the question:
Do American companies move work overseas just because they're so greedy they aren't willing to pay American workers...?
Or do they leave to escape American business constraints? (and more recently, the constraints placed on American businesses by other countries)
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I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Make your sound your own!
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Hang in there...the "WIND OF CHANGE" IS GOING TO TRANSFORM THIS COUNTRY..FOR THE BETTER!WINDS OF CHANGE are acomin'... Inspiring Music for thismoring's MOMENT....WATCH BIG SCREEN/HI-FI!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KcRl1p2waM&feature=fvwrel
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I just read an article in the September 27, 2010, issue of "Forbes" magazine that finally and definitively reveals where Obama is coming from. The short version is that he is, in fact, consciously and deliberately trying to destroy American exceptionalism based on the anticolonial revolutionary aspirations of his father, who was a dedicated capital-C Communist. Basically he is punishing the United States for having succeeded. Everything, including the action against Gibson, makes sense in the context of this outlook. Bold text is a link.
Seems like it might be a very biased political publication, and not one based on much substantiated or factual evidence.
Here's another good one:
http://commieblaster.com/
As I recall, the US government debt was about 14 trillion by 2008 - being incurred by the previous administrations, both Democrat and Republican. Obama was not elected when the crash of 2008 occurred, but the economy was a disaster by summer - the previous administration was busily bailing out Goldman Sachs etc BEFORE the election). My own take is that if Obama had been really astute, he would have withdrawn from the presidential election. In fact, I had said this to friends and family well before the election (why would anyone want to be president and inherit this mess?).
The personal debt of citizens of the USA is actually considerably higher than that of the US government.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Not a lot of music in this topic, but it keeps people singing the blues.
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"the previous (Bush Administration was...."
Now, now.....
Wall Street Mess WAS The Fault Of Democrats...
The Democrats are doing what they do best, and that is blaming anyone but themselves for the economic bubble burst which was precipitated by the downturn in the housing market and now with Lehman Brothers.
It started in 1977 with the Worst.President.
In 1977, Carter, along with a Democrat Congress, created a worthy project with noble intentions — the Community Reinvestment Act. Over strong industry objections, it mandated that all banks meet the credit needs of their entire communities.
In 1995, President Clinton imposed even stronger regulations and performance tests that coerced banks to substantially increase loans to low-income, poverty-area borrowers or face fines or possible restrictions on expansion. These revisions allowed for securitization of CRA loans containing subprime mortgages.
By 1997, good loans were bundled with poor ones and sold as prime packages to institutions here and abroad. That shifted risk from the loan originators, freeing banks to begin pyramiding and make more of these profitable subprime products.
Under two young, well-intended presidents, therefore, big-government plans and mandates played a significant role in the current sub-prime mortgage mess and its catastrophic consequences for the U.S. and international economies.
Hardest-hit by the mortgage foreclosures have been the citizens that Democrats always claim to help most — inner-city residents who fell victim to low or no down payment schemes, unexpected adjustable rates, deceptive loan applications and commission-hungry salespeople.
Now we're having to bail out at huge cost Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the very agencies that were supposed to stabilize the system....recently thy asked for more bailout money for themselves!
Democrats are fond of using the word "deregulation" as an evil term, at least when something is deregulated under a Republican Administration.
But this is exactly what Carter and Clinton did, they deregulated the mortgage industry and, to a lesser extent, the banking and financial sectors of the market. Dem "deregulation" brings the results we now see taking place.
Oh well, the hurricane was God's punishment...wasn't it???
Carter and Clinton and their band of Little Socialists forced lenders to provide risky loans for people who didn't financially qualify for the loans
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I guess they decided to unlock it.
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I think the government is getting hyper technical in its reliance on arcane theories of International Law. Besides, it's not like Gibson did anything really harmful to society...like playing a harmonic interval of a tritone. 
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Sincere thanks to the moderator and to PG Music for unlocking this discussion. It is a subject which interests us vitally. While there is strong feeling attached to the matter, I believe that its expression is in accord with, but quite moderate in comparison to, the nature of the actions we are witnessing.
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Well, I will attempt to stay out of the political fray, but I hope that Gibson is keeping track of serial numbers during this time of defiance. Reason: I'm hoping that I can purchase a 'defiance' model sometime in the future - in show of support. I'm also proud to say that Mr. Juskiewicz (sp?) hails from my alma mater, General Motors Institute. I wish he had given me a job back about 10 years ago when I chatted with his administrative assistant while trying to get an audience with him. Either he is an extremely level headed guy, or a great actor. I have a made in China SX bass guitar with a rosewood fingerboard for which I paid a grand total of 150 bucks or so, shipped to my door, in a gig bag and properly packed for shipment. I've crowed here and there about how great of a deal it was. You can be darned sure that nobody is raiding SX over in China about the rosewood fretboards on all of their guitars! Just plain crazy! This will end up in the Supreme Court, nearly certain of that. But then again, what about the raid from 2 years ago for which there are still no charges and inventoried wood held in hostage? Do we think there will be any recompense to Gibson for lost income? No way. And who would pay anyways? There is some untold story underneath all of this and I don't mean some right wing / left wing thing. It's too singular for that. Smells like someone is calling in a favor for someone else for something shady. I doubt that will ever see the the light of day. For those of you thinking it's this guy's politics; here's some of the charitable organizations that he is involved in. Please read the ENTIRE list, all the way to the bottom. Following text pulled from CNBC at this location: http://www.cnbc.com/id/22402401"Juszkiewicz is a committed supporter of The Rainforest Alliance and conservation. A member of the Society of International Business Fellows and others, Juszkiewicz continues his commitment to a better world through his active participation in organizations such as Nordoff-Robbins, which provides music therapy for severely handicapped children, to the T.J. Martell Fund for Leukemia Research, The Hope Foundation, The Environmental Defense Fund, Teenage Cancer Trust and leads numerous philanthropic endeavors under the Gibson Foundation banner. He is a board member of the Country Music Hall of Fame, a board member of the Beale Street Blues Company, Inc., a board member of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum and Executive Vice President of the Guitar and Accessories Marketing Association. He is a co-founder of Music Rising, a campaign to help aid musicians of the Gulf Coast and is active in the Clinton Global Initiative. He is the recipient of numerous awards, honors and extensive media coverage." Mr. Juskiewicz talks about in the interview that he's not about Republicans vs. Democrats, but he's about doing what's right for America. Study the list. His support of both right and left leaning organizations bear witness to his claims. Check out who his co-founders are for Music Rising. Read what the Clinton Global Initiative is all about. The questions we all have to ask ourselves are along these lines: Do we want to see Gibson around for the future? What are we going to do about it in addition to letting others know about it online? I've never bought a Gibson. To be honest I can't get on with tune-o-matic bridges too well; at least the little bit that I've tried. But I want to see this icon of the American music industry live on. I don't want to be party to seeing it disappear over these recent guilty-until-proven-innocent raids. But I can write some letters and make some calls. Hit me up on my website for my e-mail if you want to see the letter I just wrote to my former senator, Carl Levin. That way, it doesn't bog down the PG bulletin board with private messages. I'd write to my current senators, but they don't carry the weight that guys like Levin do. Let's get over who is in the Oval Office and help save Gibson if possible. If this goes on too long, it might be over for them. -Scott
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I apologize for my going off on a political rant, as I am "want to do"...both to PG
and to the people I offended.
Glad to see this thread back "on track"!!
No more politics discussion from G-Daddy!!
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Geez, I'm, / we are Canadian eh. Lets go for ...beer? Good idea eh? The religious types can have the root kind. We even have a few of those A&W's here. No more roller skates for the lasses and you can't wait in your car. That would be too good eh? Problem here was for 1/2 the year the root beers froze on the outdoor tray. I never understood how it was always summer in Bedrock until I spotted the palm trees. I should have known all cave men lived in Florida.
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From the "King of Snide Remarks"......Cavemen in Florida!?
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New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Windows!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: VST3 Plugin Support
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins
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