It is the age old argument, regarding loops, vocals, software, Pianos, Guitars, whatever. do it like me, view it like me, or you are wrong. I play guitar, and bass, and a little keyboards, but i don't look down on those who use loops to create. I have seen people take interesting sounds and blend them with home made loops and create fantastic music. In Pet Sounds Brian Wilson used things that were not conventional to add to his musical palette like water jugs, and other things. Were these not instruments since there were not found in a music store?

Bob you are offended when people call other musicians that do not play conventional instruments, or have spent years working on the craft of that instrument. Well to me it is offensive to label people, and pack them into their narrow view.

In the case of musical instrument vs Singer. i do both, and i won't say i am great at either, but i can hold my own. One thing i know it takes more effort to perfect a vocal than it does a guitar track. I have to work harder to get a vocal track that is on key, and has the right notes inflections, and other nuances needed to be presentable.

If we were to all subscribe to your view point then accapella music is not music, but is just singing, since singers are not musicians, right. Barbershop quartets, Doo Wop groups, and the like are various forms of MUSIC!! The beauty of the human voice is something that makes us unique on this planet.

BiaB may not be exactly the same to you as playing a guitar, but there are folks here that are so adept at using this tool that they excel at it. I use it a lot, and i can say that what i make here is mediocre at best. There are people here that have really dug in and learned the tricks and features and turn out tasty music from this program. Telling them they are not musicians just cause the do not play the instrument you play to me is being narrow minded, arrogant, and offensive.

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