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Protesting got the Vietnam war stopped. If enough people get up and protest there couild be changes.
Perfect, we're finally getting somewhere.
What changes?
Tax the rich? A constitutional amendment, if so where's the wording? Round up everybody on Wall Street who makes over a million a year and just throw them in jail and take everthing they have? Is it as simple as legalize pot and we can all party? I'm all over that one.
What exactly, specifically, do they want the government and by extension us, to do?
Spell it out please because I swear, I don't have a clue what they want.
Those war protesters had a specific goal and it was plastered all over their signs.
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The first thing is to give up on the anachronistic concept of patriotism.
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Bob, Aren’t you glad rubberball103, (aka Bud), cleared that up for us? LOL. Vietnam protest message: Stop The War! Occupy protest message: give up on the anachronistic concept of patriotism.   
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That's right Bob, my wishes have been fulfilled, my life is complete. So glad he cleared that up by giving us detailed answers as to what most of these protesters want. I suspect if we were to go down there and start nosing around we might find most of them have a similar feeling.
I never realized this movement was based on such a simple concept.
One thing I heard on the news yesterday concerning the cold weather was in London they surveyed the tents and outdoor shelters with thermal imaging in the middle of the night and found over 90% of them were empty. The poor little darlings went home each night and came back when the cameras started arriving in the morning. I guess when the going gets tough the tough go home to stay inside their capitalist pig parents house.
That's real commitment there.
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The first thing is to give up on the anachronistic concept of patriotism.
the first thing... toward what ultimate goal?
follow the link below and thoughtfully consider point 9 in light of the above statement
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/416.html
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WOW!! They're doing pretty well with the agenda!
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From Arab Spring to Springtime for Hitler
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Standard tactic - when you have no logical argument with people, call them bums, hippies, pot-smokers, and communists.
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Bud, please. I can't speak for anybody else but as for me we have nothing to argue because you still haven't given me anything to work with.
This is all you've said:
"...there could be changes."
"give up on the anachronistic concept of patriotism."
"Standard tactic - when you have no logical argument with people, call them bums, hippies, pot-smokers, and communists."
These are merely slogans and this last one is creating the classic Straw Man. Create something so you can tear it down when nobody has said anything like that.
You've said nothing concerning my questions, the main one being what changes are these protesters looking for. If you're not going to engage in some kind of dialog here, then I'm done with this thread.
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"To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture." ...Thomas Paine
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It would've been nice if you'd taken the time to articulate to the rest of us what the "Occupy" movement is all about without using one liner pre planned plugs.
I'm sure there is more than a couple of us who would like to hear someone in favor of it actually talk about it without using "talking points".
Exactly what are you wanting people to do?
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I wanting to occupy someplace WARM.
I'm against all greed and hording.
Good people, good music, and enhancements.
We shall overcome, someday.
But who's we?
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I think they meant Wee shall over come , John !
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One of the great things about American politics is that it often doubles as entertainment. Given that most of network and cable television has devolved into so-called reality TV, it is getting pretty hard to distinguish between “entertainment” programming and political “news” coverage – especially where the occupy Wall Street protests are concerned. On one hand we have strangers living in a house together with hidden cameras, arguing and having casual sex, and on the other we have what looks like a bunch of camping trips gone bad – complete with no showers, drugs and casual sex. The former are usually paid to display their foolishness, so they know why they are there. But the later really can’t give a cogent explanation of why they are there and what they want to accomplish, other than that they are mad at “the man” and that they won’t leave until they get what they want. Some members of the media, along with helpful liberal politicians, have compared them to the Tea Party, but there is very little in the way of comparison. The Tea Party protests were large, law abiding and about something other than sleepovers, specifically a political agenda of limited government and less spending. The Occupy crowd is smaller, mob like and unfocused. Further, their campsites have been the scene of assaults (sexual and otherwise), theft, drug abuse and sanitation hazards. And yet, the Tea Party was compared to “angry mobs”, while these people represent America? Please. Recently, Democrat pollster Douglas Schoen conducted the first extensive survey of the Occupy protesters and, among other things, discovered the following: Only 15% are actually unemployed, (meaning the other 85% must have union jobs giving them time off to protest). And 98% say they would support civil disobedience to achieve their goals, ... AND... With Johnny-Boys "Vendetta Comments" about my posts...if he has $7 he can get one of these... http://www.partycity.com/product/v+for+vendetta+mask.do
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They know the problems; they don't know the solutions. By asking for demands you are asking them for solutions and they don't have them.
Problem- the earlier article I posted on congessional audit of FedReserve. 27 Trillion in loans to save banks around the world. 550 billion for US banks was approved by congress. That's quite a large discrepancy in numbers .. yet because the Fed is private no laws were broke. How do you solve that? That's a lot of money leaving the country and with the instability in Europe banking it was risky.
Problem - we bailout large corporations who then (surprise!) give large sums in bonuses to execs. Because of contracts they think this is perfectly OK, most of us agree it is not. Solution? I dunno. Personally I'd let them fail. It's Capitalism! Someone would replace them, they just add to the cost of everything with the speculation anyway (silly rant).
Protesting problems and not knowing the solution does not mean there is no reason to protest.
Problem - too much corporate money influencing elections and therefore laws. Solution? I dunno. But I can see why they are upset.
Problem - cheap labor used overseas to keep profits high while unemployment here soars. Solution? Change import laws and labor laws? .. but corporate put up a lot of money to get who they want in the places they are, so not going to happen.
Problem - a government that is so stuck on being in control that there is no control and no progress. Solution? Replace them .. but how is that going to go over for a talking point when news is contolled by corporate who also funded their campaigns? That's why you see the silly coverage of something that a lot of people feel strongly about.
Problem - BofA donates $45 million to NYPD shortly after the pepper spray fiasco, then starts $5 fee for debit cards. Does not look good to avg Joe.
Lots of problems that have gone on too long and now solutions are very hard. If you have the solution to any of these problems, please speak up. Or even if you think they are not problems .. explain.
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The only problem, in my opinion, is government.
It does what it's not supposed to do. (constitutionally)
The politicians we've had for the past 100+ years, actually think they're smarter than the founding fathers. You know...the guys that actually invented the United States.
These arrogant fools have had their way, & we pay. AND we re-elect them!!!
They have planned our economy since Woodrow Wilson. Take a look at economic charts before & after Wilson (& the Fed) It's pretty dramatic. Before Wilson, the dollar was actually gaining in value. After the Federal Reserve it has lost 98% of it's value.
Want to put up a fence in YOUR yard...you need a permit. (permission)
Want to cut hair? You need a license. (please don't come back with..."we gotta make sure you can do it.") Someone who can't won't be in business long.
Want to get married? You need a license. WTF???
If the gov. thinks it knows what the best use of YOUR land is...they can take it!
Want to renounce your citizenship? The gov. is not allowing that anymore. If you can get away with it, it will cost you 50% of your assets. (compliments of Barney Frank added to a military bill)
Want to eat unhealthy? There's a tax on that.
Want to drill a well on YOUR property for water? You need a permit.
I can go on & on. THIS IS NOT the United States that it started out to be.
We are living under the illusion of freedom. I have since woke up...
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Gdaddy is now my source for ...sex.
I think his post is a record for here, unless you count those porn posts.
Just a 'casual' observation.
Maybe the we get a snowfall like last winter. The first one was 100 cm. (close to or over 5 feet).
I think the tents are done at that point, and they better soon move off the ice or they will wake up frozen into the dirt. LOL. Casually of course.
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