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Scott,
What you said here is why in another thread I asked to hear Eddie's singing. I never got to listen because of dialup however the point I'm making is that you can't make a poor voice good with equipment. I concur that voice lessons is money well spent. Eddie I didn't listen to you so I'm just going on what Scott is saying. Think back to when you first started playing horns. It took time ,practice & probably some coaching. The voice is the same.
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Mac, as usual you are right on target again. I did not know you could load the PG graphic EQ as a VST plug in. This is part of the continuing education of old school Eddie who still uses an A/DA flanger and wishes my Echoplex hadn't broken. I have yet to wrap myself around the term "DAW", opting for "Sequencer", and I still think of VSTs as "soft synths". Like my soft synth B3, my soft synth Prophet 5.... Much the same way I don't believe in "previously titled automobiles", though I have owned used cars.... The concpet of the VST plugin was lost on me until this thread. I know to load "the synth rack" in Sonar, which is the same as loading VST instruments, but in different terms. This same old school thinking is why I prefer to mix on a mixer and not on a screen.
Scott, as far as "my foghorn voice", I just don't like that I am so nasal, but you are maybe the 5th person to point out the reality that I can't sound like anybody else but me, and the quest for good EQ was not so much to change anything about my timbre, but to make me sound less like I am singing through a Pringles can, or ne of those Swedish horns on the Ricola commercials.... Actually it is when I ADD any EQ to my vocal tracks looking for that perfect, ear pleasing texture is when they go bad. I am just that over achiever type who always wants mo' betta.....
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Eddie, I have said to you several times in these various threads of yours that you need to get some education in modern digital recording. Just saying you're "old school" and then spending a couple paragraphs explaining to us what that means in not helpful. Most of us here are around the same age, we know what old school means.
The common thread running through your posts is you spend days, weeks running down the wrong hallway looking for the bathroon because you have not done the basic reading you need to do to learn this stuff. I've explained in detail to you the difference between VSTi's (i means instrument) and VST (plugin) and the fact that DXi is similar. For about the third time I think I'm recommending to you to visit Mac's Audiominds website, click on the Getting Started button in the upper left and start reading. Everybody knows him on these forums, he's a pro, one of the few who actually makes siginificant money as a recording engineer and music producer. He's a great place to start your education and there's ton's of other websites on the web.
If you don't start doing that some of us are going to start giving up on you.
Bob
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Wrap up post on this thread..... I have my 2 MOTU 2408s and the card installed in the computer. It starts to get ugly right here.
The MOTU PCI-324 card is a standard PCI form factor with the key notch toward the back, indicating it is a 3.3v card. (There's always a "however", isn't there?) However, the power requirement for this card, per MOTU, is 5v. Okay, so Eddie downloads a diagnostic tool, specs out his existing motherboard, and sees it is 3.3v across the PCI bus, as I expected. So then Eddie decided it was probably time to update that box anyway. The snag is that buying a new PC will see that new computer equipped with PCIe slots, which have the key notch in the front, the wrong form factor for the card. Off to the computer store I go. Bought a new motherboard, which they SWORE had 5v PCI slots, and I asked 4 times. That also meant that the existing Socket A CPU I had would not fit the new board, so I moved from an AMD 1.5g to an Intel 3g dual core. It also meant that the DDR RAM on the old board wouldn't fit, so I added 2gb of new RAM. Brought it all home, put it in the case, figured that a fresh install of Windows wouldn't hurt, so I did that as well. Loaded the drivers for the PCI-324 card. Shut down, disconnected power, put on static strap, installed the card.
Nothing.
Doesn't even detect it.
So I loaded that same diagnostic tool and ran it and find that the PCI slots are 3.3v despite the assurance that they were 5v. Got onto the MOTU web site and started doing even more research. It seems that the wonderful folks at MOTU buried two bits of very pertinent information. That card will not work with any RAM as new or newer than DDR, and will never work with a dual core processor. And here comes the "got 'em where we want 'em" part of the entertainment. Seems that they will be more than happy to take my card and $295 in trade and send me the PCI-424 which WILL work with DDR RAM and the dual core CPU. More reading revealed that the 324 card was designed like 12 years ago before anybody perceived that there would be double data rate RAM and dual core processors in PC class computers, so it was never designed to handle that configuration. I did make mention of one very specific thing in one of my 4 emails to MOTU, that being the fact that if the form factor is 3.3v industry standard it might be a good idea to make the card function on 3.3v. Just sayin'.....
So, for right now, I have 2 MOTU 2408s, 2 digital reverbs and a compressor all mounted in a nice new desktop rack, just waiting for the time I can come up with $300 to buy the new card to plug into my nice new computer. And a forced "Oh well, there's nothing I can do about it right now" smile on my face.... knowing that the only way this card will work is if I go backwards to SDRAM and an old single core CPU. This is my fault for not researching BEFORE buying used equipment from a guy on the other coast....
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