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Has anyone been using the Presonus Studio One 2 Artist DAW?
I'm currently using Realband for processing and mixdown and am "getting there" but wondered how the Presonus Artist One 2 DAW stacked up.
Any easier for mixing, any additional features?
Is it worth the extra $100?
The reason I'm considering is that Presonus has the Melodyne (which I have) support as an add on feature (Control+M brings it up in the window) built in.
Any chance PG will implement that as well?
Lots of questions,too few brain cells.
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There is a 30 day free download demo of the Presonus Studio One V2 avialable which I have been "plyaing" with. Teh integration of Melodyn directly into the audio editing is truely cutting edge next generation stuff. My understanding is that this will only be available in the Studio 1v2 for some time to come based on a license agreement. Ohter that this incredible feature, the DAW does seem to have some nice features. I got it up and running reasonable quickly so it seems to be well laid out and somewhat intuitive if you have DAW experience. It does claim to have a whole seperate module for mastering. I do have a lot of time invested in Reaper so I am not quick to move to another DAW, but for the ARA of Melodyn alone it is certainly tempting.
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I thought it was too good to be true to get melodyne as part of a $99 package... looks like the integrated melodyne only comes with the more expensive version. http://studioone.presonus.com/what-are-the-versions/with artist you get a trial version.
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Some more clarity on the subject:
Studio One Professional includes a fully licensed copy of Melodyne Essential. Studio One Artist and Producer come with the Melodyne trial version. However, if you already own a copy of Melodyne Essential, Assistant, or Editor version 1.3 (a free upgrade from Celemony) or later, you can use it with Studio One Artist, Producer, or Professional and it will integrate perfectly, with all of the capability of your Melodyne version intact (including the Direct Note Access technology in Melodyne Editor).
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Some more clarity on the subject:
Studio One Professional includes a fully licensed copy of Melodyne Essential. Studio One Artist and Producer come with the Melodyne trial version. However, if you already own a copy of Melodyne Essential, Assistant, or Editor version 1.3 (a free upgrade from Celemony) or later, you can use it with Studio One Artist, Producer, or Professional and it will integrate perfectly, with all of the capability of your Melodyne version intact (including the Direct Note Access technology in Melodyne Editor).
that *IS* cool
Its the shape of things to come in audio editing.
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The artist version is seriously crippled in that it does not allow the use of any external plugins. That you have to pay for that basic functionality is cruel joke.
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The Studio One Artist version does have a lot of very good native plugins although some might miss any VSTi they have.
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The artist version is seriously crippled in that it does not allow the use of any external plugins. That you have to pay for that basic functionality is cruel joke.
Agreed, this is absolutely unacceptable from a marketing perspective - the VST is an industry standard. Unexpecting newbees will be very dissappointed and it will backfire on the company to hold back such a standard option.
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I bought S1 Artist when it was at a crazy 'show' price a few months ago and had a play around with it when I was feeling disillusioned about Sonar's new X1, which was badly flawed on launch and difficult to learn after their previous incarnations.
I've now upgraded to the new S1 Version 2 Pro 64 bit for one reason: Melodyne only works in my Sonar X1 as a plugin for about five minutes before freezing and crashing Sonar. I've failed to get any help at all from Celemony or Cakewalk so had no option but to do this so I can import a rough backing mix and a vocal track to work on the latter, then return that vocal track to Sonar.
Now that I'm a bit used to S1 my view is that is it NO way as comprehensive as Sonar, but is glitzy and smooth at what it does. If you're a heavy MIDI user, like me, you won't like it as it squarely aimed at the modern audio user. It would be a step up from RealBand except for the MIDI issue.
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There is no one stop solution to every possible need, or as Mac always said a swiss army knife of DAW software. Studio one may integrate Melodyne, and that is great, but i can use Melodyne as a stand alone and import the results into any other DAW. RB on the other hand is the ONLY daw to include RealTracks and Real Drums, and all you can do with that system. Sonar does not do that, and Reaper does not do that. I have all of them except Studio One, which i do not need just for ARA implementation. I can wait till one of my other DAWs includes that. Heck the time i lose moving the file out and back in will be lost in setting up, and learning a new system.
Heck I am fast realizing that i can do almost anything in RB. I have done songs in RB, and moved them to Sonar X1, Multitrackstudio, and Reaper, for finishing. Guess what they all did a fine job at the project, but guess what else?!? The version finished in RB sounded just as good.
It keeps being said here and elsewhere! It ain't the tools, it is the carpenter.
This conversation is going on at every Forum on the web right now, is xxxx better that yyyy?
No not really just different. another fact is that so much of this depends on the user, the skill level, and the computer system. All during the Sonar craziness, there were people screaming that it was fatally flawed, at the same time others had zero problems. Over at Reaper they were experiencing virtually the same issue. A few less bugs, but i tried Reaper for a couple years and all it did was crash my system, yet others swore by it. I finally bought version 4, and guess what it is fine. What ever did not work well with my comp, was either fixed or something. I bought Sonar X1, and guess what i have yet to have a crash that was not caused by a third party plug, and those have been very few. I still use MTS, guess what it is still rock solid, but there are a couple things i wish were different, or that work different. Over all they all work fine.
RB needs about two things in my mind. 1. revamped VSTi handling 2. upgraded automation node based system. There are a few more but that is true of all systems
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Very well said Rob. I frequent some hardware keyboard forums and people continually say I have this 4 year old Korg, Roland, Kurzweil whatever and wow, the new one is so cool it can do this, and this and this etc. I will post do you know your current board will do that and that and that but it's true, the new one does have this? Is it worth it to spend another two grand just for that?
Same point. Don't even think about upgrading until you can write a book about and start posting on these forms as an expert on what you already have. Sometimes I'll post a Youtube link of a famous keyboard player like Herbie Hancock and it's several years old so he's playing on maybe a 10 year old keyboard. Does he sound like crap? Of course not. One of my favorites is him with Pat Matheny doing Canteloupe Island and Herbie has a DX7 sitting on top of that old Roland/Rhodes hybrid thing from 20 years ago and this is a fairly recent concert.
I admit it's fun throwing your money around and playing with new stuff but is it really necessary for what you do?
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Bob, your point about hardware is so true. I have a 15 year old SkilSaw, and ya know what it cuts just as straight of a line as a brand new Hitachi with a fangdangled laser guide.
I love the concept of the new Presonus boards that have fat channel, and all these cool features, but hey i don't really need them, i can track just fine with either my Delta PCI card or my Tasacam US 800.
The trick is to get the tracks down and then mix them, and master them.
I kinda chuckled the other day when the Studio one/Melodyne news hit the fan. I read on the Reaper forum, the Sonar forum, and i even posted it here just to see the reaction to it. People were musing left and right whether they should jump ship at all these places and run with Studio one!!
Wow really, so in 6 months if Sonar and Reaper chose to add ARA, then what? What if Reaper, or Sonar add some other feature that Studio one does not have? Jump back?
So what happens is that we end up with about four or five different softwares that we have to keep current and it is a constant battle to pay for all this "progress"
Everyone keeps calling it "workflow" but really it is more like cash flow! You can take any one of the DAW programs and find something unique about them that the other companies don't have, so no matter which program you use you will always have some feature, or option that is missing. Never mind that there are workarounds for all of them, they are seen as "show stoppers". I speak from experience, i have bought most of them before, i was always in search of the "perfect" DAW.
My hope is that over the next one or two version upgrades, BiaB, and therefore RB will fix the two or three little nagging issues that are needed, cause i would like to settle in to that since that is where i seem to always start from, and just stay there.
Actually i would like to see as i mentioned above the VSTi issues fixed. Make it so that plugins like jamstix, melodyne, and such that need some kind of tempo lock, can work flawlessly. Next upgrade the automation where volume, panning, and effects an be automated with a node based setup like cakewalk. Add to that a "takes" system for setting up folders and such in RB. Do a few stability fixes where there are not as many violations, and corruptions of files, and this system would be killer. I would most likely not upgrade a few of my others then, and rather spend my money here and on some really top flight mastering VSTs.
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Rob,
Agree with nearly all of your points except that the VST handling issues with PG products are not limited to VSTi but also to VST. I used several delays, autofilters, etc. that lock to tempo, but won't do it in PG products.
I mix via automation these days - have done so for many years now. Not just volume and panning, but every controllable aspect of VST and VSTi plugins I will hit with automation curves at some point. One popular one that I do is fixing sustain pedal farts that I did in a 'live' take. So easy to do graphically.
I also like to change cutoff and resonance frequencies of some filters that I use - makes for really interesting stuff with ambient guitar tracks. All done via drawing in curves in automation.
We've been asking for the tempo locking thing to get fixed for several years now. I'm guessing it must take a whole re-write of the audio engine in PG products or else they would have attacked it correctly by now. I would gladly return to the PG fold if VST/VSTi handling was 'direct' instead of faked through DX, and if automation was complete like in most other DAW software.
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Good point about the Artist version lacking VST support, another $100 to get that with the Professional version.
Believe I'll try to learn all that RB can do before adding another learning curve to my already long To Do List.
Have to remember that all those promo videos look so good because they actually know what they're doing.
Sort of like Norm remodeling a house in 30 minutes.
Maybe PG will surprise us in the next update.
Thanks for all the input.
Keep it coming.
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which is coming up soon....
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RS N, i agree. I have many plugs that do not work due to Tempo Lock. i would love to see that fixed as well. I use MTS or even sometimes Sonar for that stuff, since it works for me. But my point is that i wish i could just stick with one. The other point is that for most folks much of that is not really necessary anyway. Some of the stuff you are talking about most don't use.
I also use a lot of automation, and while it is mostly volume, and panning, effects are on my list to learn to automate soon. I know RB automates the basics, but even that is clunky at best.
I want to get whee i can upgrade only one or two systems. One program i an surprised that more people do not use is the Multitrackstudio setup from bremmer's audio. it is deeper and better than people give it credit for. automation is pretty good, and it handles VST, and VSTi like a champ.
I find that between it and RB i can get a lot done.
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Well, Tracktion 3 Ultimate Bundle was $19 back in January. While it's abandonware, it still rocks the box with workflow for my brain. Most people used to looking at a bunch of different windows simply do not like it. It's most often compared to Apple Logic. I use only one DAW. Haven't gotten into any auto-generated accompaniment except for Jamstix.
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Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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