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1st off never use ASIO settings if you do not have an ASIO driver setup. A notebook when using the built in sound card will not have real ASIO drivers. Adding ASIO4All will change that, but ASIO4All is not real ASIO, it is a ASIO wrapper for MME.
Second, i suggest changing the sample rate in both BiaB, and in the sound card applet to 44,100. It might be an issue with 48,000
Also undo the check boxes that force the system to use Coyote WT, and also the one that sends to DXi, and change the setting for midi output to microsoft synth GS, and see what you get. Then when you go back to Coyote, do not choose Midi Mapper. Leave it at Microsoft synth gs , and force it over to Coyote WT. Midi mapper has always been glitchy to me.
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You think there is something wrong? Sounded fine to me. [KIDDING]. It sounds like someone opened the door, and suddenly it is -140 degrees in there. Try a quick experiment please: download and run the DPC Latency Checker. Let it run at least two minutes and see if it identifies a problem using audio on your PC. Clearly, things are OK to a point, and then it all sinks into quicksand. Look at the second illustration on the site, and you'll see a PC where things ran OK for twenty seconds then went bad. Wireless networks can do that, for example. Go to http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtmlThe site has very good directions for troubleshooting, if you do identify a problem. I should also comment on the sound in your recording. The MIDI Mapper is selected in the MIDI Output dialog, and that's normally the worst possible choice. You have Coyote Forte selected but I'm not sure you are hearing it. What does this German mean in the MIDI Output dialog, "Keine MIDI/Sound Eingaeb"? If that is a soundcard, it should be tried instead of the MIDI Mapper.
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Hi, Florian!
Although this is my first post, I am a longtime user of BIAB from its DOS days through Version 2011.5, with every version of Windows from 3.1 to Windows 7. I am having a problem very similar to yours, and have a pending support case with PG Music.
In my case, when I render a song to a .WAV file, it will start out fine. Then all MIDI instruments gradually disappear, leaving only the Real Drums playing. I cannot render to either .WMA or .MP3 at all. With the guidance of the Support Team, I have tried setting after setting without success. I have an onboard sound card and have had no problems rendering in either Windows XP or Vista. My problems began a few weeks after a fresh Windows 7 installation and several automatic "updates" from Microsoft.
Here is my current workaround. Compose the song in BIAB until you are satisfied with the result. Save the song as a BIAB file. Then close BIAB and open the song in RealBand. I don't know why, but I am able to render to both .WAV and .WMA files in RealBand. I use a third-party converter to then render the .WAV file to .MP3 if necessary. I have been able to successfully render the files in RealBand using any DXi synth, and using either MME or ASIO4All drivers. And this may give you hope. I am using a 2008 HP notebook for which the Conexant soundcard drivers have not been updated since March of 2008.
If nothing else has worked for you, I hope you will try this method. Hopefully, PG will come up with the solution since there are at least two of us experiencing this problem.
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...This is a brand new Dell notebook with i7Core, running Win7...I see you'Re running pretty much the same system, but never had any issues, did you?
I wanted to comment on this, for what its worth. One big difference between my Dell and yours is my is a desktop model and I have disabled the on-board stock Realtec soundcard and replaced it with a PCI card made for a DAW. I long ago realized that the "interface \ sound card" was critial to recording so I moved in that direction and looked for an appropiate device.
Not sure this is relavent to your current issue, Actually, I don't think it should be, but just something to think about.
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Hi everyone,
i am using BiaB 2011 on a Win 7 system (Notebook).
When I render a song into Audio (.wav or other formats), the songs gets scrambled up. It' just a tiny little thing, so that I didn't even believe it at first (with slower songs), but now that I've rendered my first faster song (@180bpm) I am sure there is something wrong in the rendering process. The song just isn't in-time afterwards.
What could be the problem? Inside BiaB, everything's fine, it all happens during rendering.
Thx for any help
Florian
Florian. Can you please send the song and style you're using to: russell_demussel@hotmail.com I'd like to see what it does when I render it on my computer. I'm still running Win XP. No real issues here.
I just rendered one of the fake songs that came with BIAB and it worked fine. There may be a couple of issues you should look at.
1. Is the style where you render the song in the same folder?
2. Do you have indexing turned on? If so turn it off. If not then turn it on.
3. Are you running BIAB on a USB drive or on your computers hard drive?
Let me know what you have. And do send the song and style to me.
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I am using a 2008 HP notebook for which the Conexant soundcard drivers have not been updated since March of 2008..
NMB - a real lurker. 
This on-board laptop sound card is certainly in common with our OP. How has this performed for you in the past. Do you use it to reocrd? or just playback? Do you use it with any other music applications (DAWs)? and how does it perform? Just askin cause I would suspect this would generally be a problem. My experience is that todays music applications need a serious sound device.
Perhaps these laptops need an external sound device to get proper input and output versus the standare soundcard. Just thinkin out loud.... 
I'd say welcome to the forum, but apparently you have been around
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Florian. Can you please send the song and style you're using
Good suggestions Russ. Florian did provide the BIAB file earlier in the thread (see the link at the beginning) and I played it and rendered it and all was good on my machine.
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Hi Jazzman!
If there were an award for lurking, I'm sure I'd be a contender! This was the first chance I had to make a contribution to the forum. I hope my solution works for the OP.
My HP laptop originally came with a dual core AMD Turion 64, 3 GB of memory and 32-bit Vista. I was able to run not only BIAB and RealBand, but PowerTracks and (lately) Reaper. About two months ago I wiped the hard drive and installed a year-old copy of Windows 7. I also increased the memory to the maximum 4 GB. For several weeks all of the programs worked properly. And BIAB still does, except that I can't render anything within the program.
I don't know if the soundcard is any good for recording because I'm a step-entry guy. I use Finale PrintMusic, or even the Piano Roll to enter MIDI melody lines and then flesh out the arrangements in BIAB. It worked really well in the XP days (only 4 years ago) when I created an entire Christmas album of songs with a single melody line backed up by BIAB.
And speaking of outboard soundcards... Six years ago I had a laptop with a PCMCIA slot into which I was able to plug a Creative Audigy ZS Notebook card. It worked like a charm, had its own ASIO drivers and even had a built-in soundfont player. Unfortunately, technological advancement and real progress often don't go together!
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Quick question, because I can't find any distinction in the thread: is this rendering a single two-track stereo file, or rendering the instruments as individual tracks? (I always do the latter, because I port the tracks to Reaper for the mix.)
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@filkertom: it's a single two-track stereo file. @all: thank y'all so much for all the suggestions and support. I have too little time during the week to even start checking it all out, but I will get at it starting Friday and get back to you ASAP. What seems to be clear by now: 1) The problem is within my system or BiaB configuration, as the song renders properly on other machines 2) Using ASIO is unnecessary, since no recording is involved. I will try and stick to MME to not create further problems 3) I will get latest Updates/Builds from pgmusic, latest drivers from Dell for the soundcard, latest drivers for my MIDI Keyboard 4) I will try a Factory reset 5) I might try a trial version of Forte, although strictly speaking, proper rendering should be possible with CoyoteWT 6) had a phone call with the Support hotline of my local vendor, who suggested disabling Antivir Software, trying to run BiaB in Admin mode, disabling mobile network connections (apart from all the things you folks already suggested..) Lot of testing ahead... @jazzmandan: sorry, I didn't mean to remind you of your past troubles....:-)could've guessed from the sheer number of your posts that you must've been in trouble before. I was merely interested, because you have a Dell and Win7 system...didn't realize it's a Desktop - in that case, things aren't really comparable. When this notebook was brandnew, I was a little annoyed by how much useless and even obtrusive software was pre-installed by Dell - making it a so-called "Multimedia Notebook":(  I still have the suspicion that there is some of it left that keeps BiaB from working properly. Does anyone know of a freeware analysis tool to diagnose and troubleshoot the system's sound and MIDI setup under Win7? I know there are such things for WinXP, but haven't heard of something for Win7. It could be a good idea for me to try and run such a tool.
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The tool I linked to above, the DPC Latency Checker, is designed to check that a PC is powerful enough and configured correctly so that audio can run successfully. It runs on any Windows PC, and it is free. Did you try it?.
MIDI does not stress any computer. I can't imagine that, once it works at all, it would ever be a problem.
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Allright now everybody,
all problems solved with help of technical support from my vendor.
Just needed to upgrade to latest Build 319b from 312. Things can be so simple, but I didn't know how to do this and the guy showed me...took him 3 minutes on the phone, remote-controlling my laptop with TeamViewer Software.
Just wanted to say thank you for all the suggestions and help from you fellas.
Florian
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