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A fitting comment below a youtube video of Jimi Hendrix
"And now all we hear on the radio is justin bieber.. like, what the *@"k happened to music?"
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A fitting comment below a youtube video of Jimi Hendrix
"And now all we hear on the radio is justin bieber.. like, what the *@"k happened to music?"
I really enjoy most of what Hendrix played. But with all due respects, my parents response to Hendrix was approximately the same as my response to many of today's popular performers.
Music is a very subjective thing.
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A fitting comment below a youtube video of Jimi Hendrix
"And now all we hear on the radio is justin bieber.. like, what the *@"k happened to music?"
I really enjoy most of what Hendrix played. But with all due respects, my parents response to Hendrix was approximately the same as my response to many of today's popular performers.
Music is a very subjective thing.
(FWIW... I'm not disagreeing with you. I think that quote is hilarious, and I identify with it.)
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Like Hendrix was the guy 12 year old girls wanted to pin up on their wall. Not a chance. She liked the muppets one day, Beiber the next, but you know she's going to end up wondering to get on the Alice Cooper wagon...NO NO. LOL..
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The radio is not where to listen to music any longer. Independent radio is a thing of the past like independent network news.
Listen on Pandora, or Spotify, or SoundCloud, or Noisetrade, or Bandcamp all online.
There's better access to better music now than ever in the past, for less out of pocket expense.
Anyone can try their hand at being creative and recording and making it available for others to hear these days. The barriers are incredibly low.
So you can't make money at it. Just like the dulcimer strummers in the hills of Appalachia back in the day. So what!
Justin Bieber is the latest in a long string of heart-throb magazine page fillers. When I was in elementary school, all the girls had posters of David Cassidy hanging in their lockers torn out from those teeny-bopper magazines, and the boys had some girl named Christy McNichol (I think that was her name). This was before the Farrah poster and the swimsuit edition of Sports Illustrated came out.
Thing is, the Bieber can sing pretty well live and has Michael Jackson quality dance moves at the same time. I say more power to him - he's an entertainer. I hope he can stay relatively unsullied by the fame - only time will tell.
Haven't listened to broadcast radio now for a couple of years. WAY too much other good music easily available to anyone reading this post.
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I hope he doesn't end up like that other child star Britney Spears. Just imagine his comeback from rehab in a net leotard with latex pushup crotch... 
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"And now all we hear on the radio is justin bieber.. like, what the *@"k happened to music?"
I remembered a lot of negative reaction to a certain band from Liverpool back in 1964 and went looking on the internet to see if I could unearth of few of those old gems:
New York World Telegram Editorial on February 8, 1964
These lads cultivate a vague allusion to being musicians, in a gurgling sort of way. They tote instruments, but blandly assure their fans they know not a note. (All their notes are in the bank.) Their production seems to be a haunting combination of rock ‘n’ roll, the shimmy, a hungry cat riot, and Fidel Castro on a harangue.
Newsweek on February 24, 1964
Visually they are a nightmare: tight, dandified Edwardian beatnik suits and great pudding-bowls of hair. Musically they are a near disaster: guitars and drums slamming out a merciless beat that does away with secondary rhythms, harmony and melody. Their lryics (punctuated by nutty shouts of yeah, yeah, yeah!) are a catastrophe, a preposterous farrago of valentine-card romantic sentiments.
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Just a comment on Scott's observation that it's hard to make money at all. He's right, but I am getting paid by Pandora and iTunes regularly. I'm also on Spotify, and although that's quite recent, more people tell me they are using that now so I'm looking forward to hopefully seeing it on my next statement.
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i recently renewed my pandora subscription for the second year. i haven't listened to commercial radio since. i listen to pandora 12+ hours every day on my dynavox. i have noticed that some songs are alternate takes but i still enjoy pandora a lot.
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My observation has always been the current generation of young people are genetically programmed to gravitate towards whatever music is going to piss off their parents the most. This forum is mostly frequented by older folks including me. Nobody mentions rap and hip hop because none of us can stand it but read this: http://www.forbes.com/2008/08/15/music-media-hiphop-biz-media-cz_zog_0818cashkings.htmlNote this is from 2008. I've heard on radio shows or TV or somewhere that Jay-Z has passed Elvis and someone else is closing in as well. Hip hop is beyond huge and it's still getting bigger. This stuff has been around for over 15 years and there's several oldies rap and hip hop stations here in LA. Classic rap?!? Now, THAT will make you feel old. Check this out: http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_rap-artists.htmlTop 100 rap artists. 100? I've heard of like 3, there's a top 100?? Note the link to the best hip hop of the 90's. What year is it now? I really hate to say it but everything we do or are involved in musically is just sneaking around the fringes of what's really happening. The good news is the market is still big enough that a lucky few can make a few bucks even if they're not hip hop artists. Bob
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Rap; add 10 years at least to that. I was listening to old-school rap in the 1980's, when alot of it was fairly innocent. There's still great rap that isn't misogynistic and what not. You have to look for it, but it's there.
Some clean rap that really has great sonic stuff going on in production and just as clever vocal rhythms:
Mars Ill
Deepspace 5
Playdough
Da' Truth
Have you heard the incredibly excellent Matisyahu? Hassidic Jew doing reggae/rap combo that is very sonically entertaining.
Keith's post was spot-on.
Jazzmammals post about music to tick off the parents is spot-on. As a parent, I try to listen to what the kids like and appreciate what is going on musically.
My 17 year old is a speed metal / metal core fan. Can't stand the screaming of the vocalists, but the drumming and guitar playing are ridiculously complex. One might even call it Baroque with the themes under-running in the bass, the counter point, etc. Way cool stuff if you can wrap your head around what is going on to produce the sound.
You don't have to listen to the Bieber, but the masses of girls who find him all dreamy-eyed are going to; just like they did for Perry Como and Sinatra, for Elvis, just like they did for Frankie Valli and Ricky Nelson, just like they did for the Beatles and the Monkees, and for Roger Daltrey, and the Jackson 5 and Michael after that, like for Rick Springfield, like for, well, you get the point. Disdain rained upon each and every one of these artists - those that are legit and those that were manufactured.
There is nothing new under the sun, but what is called new - might as well try to appreciate it and learn from it rather than let it frustrate you.
I sure with Jimi didn't smash up all those guitars, or Pete for that matter - they would be worth lots of money right now!
Let's use an example here: How many of you listened to the Fresh Prince and DJ Jazzy Jeff? I did. Most called it fluff back in the late 80's. It was fluff. But it was popular and it launched the career of one of the highest paid Hollywood actors in none other than Will Smith. Anyone who says he can't act hasn't seen "The Pursuit of Happyness (sic.)" I am a better person because of the thoughts that movie has put through my mind as I consider my place in this world. Thank you Fresh Prince and those that opened doors for you along the way.
So, give the Bieber a break. Let's hope that he can keep his head screwed on straight, and who knows, down the road, we might find him in a role of true gravitas musically, visually, lyrically, etc.
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I've mentioned in the past that my wife and adpoted Korean daughter watch Korean dramas and download K-pop (Korean pop) music... so I've been forced into a musical/cultural niche I would never have chosen for myself.
Much to my surprise, a LOT of the K-pop is hip-hop and rap... but without the offensive gangsta-misogynist lyrics of the American version. I don't understand Korean lyrics, but I say that based on the fact that many of the lyrics are in English and I've never heard the first offensive lyrics in a K-pop rap.
Bottom line, I've come to really LIKE the musical style once the offensive "in your face" lyrics are removed from the equation.
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@Pat - absolutely Rap can be musical, entertaining and enjoyable and safe for the whole family all at the same time. Some of the groups I mentioned above are out at the fringe of what is going on in the underground Rap scene. Avant garde even (particularly Deepspace 5). I'm an old guy to be listening to it but I enjoy it in measured amounts, just like I do Gregorian Chant, or Bluegrass, or speed metal, etc.
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I love Will Smith, Scott. He's turned into an Everymans actor, he really does not make bad movies. Men in Black is one of my favorite movies of all time and Hitch is my lady's favorite. He does the rap during the ending credits of MIB. I can appreciate the talent shown by some of the rappers and hip hoppers, my young assistant in my office is a huge fan and he listens to it all the time. Occasionaly we will go to lunch in his vehicle and I'll ask him to play his latest favorite for me on his 2000 watt system with 3 12" subs built into the back seat of his Ford truck about two feet from the back of my head. He holds it down a bit for me, I can only imagine what it sounds like when it's just him. Like you said some of it has pretty good stuff in it and I can hear it but still... It's just it doesn't translate too well to Brubeck, or Tower of Power, knowhatimean?
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I am with you Rock. For me, it is Sirius XM. To me, the major difference between "radio" and a "playlist" is the live voice that interacts with the audience.
I do have to chuckle with your recollections. Let me add one more. My best friend's older sister also had beside the poster of Shaun Cassidy on her wall a poster of the Bay City Rollers. Too funny. I think I will tune into one of those 70's stations on Siriux and listen now to reminisce.
Who can forget what knocked Farrah's poster off of most teenage boys walls, Cheryl Ladd coming out of the water.
Sorry to hijack the thread.
Justin Bieber, in my mind, can be connected more to Donny Osmond than Michael Jackson. Mike was a unique one of a kind. Justin has the same girly voice as Donny did at that age. In fact, I have to be reminded by my 7 year old daughter when hearing or seeing a picture of Justin while at the local Wal Mart that he is a boy. I know he has not reached puberty yet. But, they should at least give the kid a boy's haircut. Ok, now I am really showing my age. Ooops!
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I've heard on radio shows or TV or somewhere that Jay-Z has passed Elvis and someone else is closing in as well.
Statistics based strictly on the number of units sold are not apples to apples. The US population is much bigger than in the Elvis years or the Beatles years. That translates to more people to buy those units. Even with music downloads cutting into sales somewhat, sales are at an all time high.
Has the standard for gold and platinum class changed at all? X units sold makes you gold, Y units sold makes you platinum? Is it units or dollars?
Thinking of how much less it takes to print 1 million units on CD vs 1 million units of vinyl.... and about how much I miss the album art.
Different times, different criteria.
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I don't like rap
you know what I mean?
you rhyme all the time,
like from a bad dream?
it's so easy to do
to make up the words
to say them to a beat
and then pull all the birds
I am no rap star
I don't open my trap
because I told you before
I just don't like the rap.
Thought up and written in ten minutes, it is that easy to do, it's just simple rhyming poetry set to a beat, but these guys are making millions out of such simplicity.
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