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Hi!
Massive program, great stuff but right now all I want to do is find, listen to and export just drum tracks into Sonar for a project. Help goes straight in at the deep end I can't find this simple thing! Can you help?
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Should be able to do this simply with the Drag and Dr0p feature between BIAB and Sonar. http://screencast.com/t/slGiSYAHkHJQWelcome to the forum
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Right click on the Drums radio button at top of screen. There is an option to save to a WAV file.
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Drag and drop as suggested. But that was a fairly recent feature, and your bio fails to mention your VERSION, and your setup. But drag and drop, if you have it, is fairly easy.
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This forum is like very few - where else do you get this kind of quick response to a newbee question?  I know over in Reaper I can always an answer, but there are 1000's of members to that forum. Here there certainly is a dedicated following.
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Rachael, John, Jazzmandan
Thanks for answering. Took my eye off the ball for a while, but now I'm back again and still can't do it but determined to get it this time round! Can anyone talk me through?
I've got BIAB 11. No option to 'save as WAV' by right-clicking Drums button - just Select and Mute. No 'drag-and-drop' feature shows up in the Help index, so I guess I haven't got it.
Audio > Render MIDI to WAV goes through the motions of doing the job but the resulting file is 0 kb and makes no sound.
Strangely the 'Set Recording Properties' button on the Render to Audio File dialogue box does nothing - i.e. doesn't open up a further dialogue.
The Help then gets mega-technical about wiring this to that, external MIDI modules, etc. I don't understand
I've got a basic Edirol UA-4fx soundcard with one cable from the computer USB port going into it (apart from my keyboard) and the speakers coming out - that's all!
I experimented with the MIDI set-up wizard and the MIDI output drivers and the only one that makes sense is the Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth. I'm happy recording that, if anyone can tell me how...
Please...!!
Thanks for your time and patience!
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Your version is late enough to have the drag and drop feature. To get started run biab and load a style, click on the daw plugin button (right of save+ button). Select options and read through some of the things there to get an idea of what you're working with. Close that out and start sonar. Then hit the daw button again, this time select start daw mode and start dragging and dropping. Practice with all three ways to start to get it under you thumb.
To use the biab help, just type in 'daw' in search and it will narrow your selection down to good starting points.
Edit: If you have more problems, be sure and post back, possibly opening a new thread on the specific problem as it will probably get more 'eyes' that way lol.
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....Audio > Render MIDI to WAV goes through the motions of doing the job but the resulting file is 0 kb and makes no sound. ....
Let's play with this a little. Start biab and hit style, select a style that's all midi or at least mostly midi, hit load song demo, and get it playing. Stop playback and click audio, render to wav, and in the dialog box select choose. Select desktop, click new folder and select it and hit save. Tic the 'make separate files' if it isn't already, and hit render. Once it's done, minimize bb and open your 'new folder' folder and see what you have. If the files are not as expected report back and we'll try to figure out why. After you check your files, just delete the 'new folder' folder from your desktop.
For biab help, just type in 'render' in the search and the first thing that pops up is a good starting point.
Edit: You might want to try my next post before this one. Good luck and let us know how it goes.
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...I've got a basic Edirol UA-4fx soundcard with one cable from the computer USB port going into it (apart from my keyboard) and the speakers coming out - that's all...
I don't have that but it should work. It looks like it includes the vsc (virtual sound canvas) and that's a much better synth than microsoft GS imo. Do you have vsc installed and can you use it in sonar? Also what kind of keyboard do you have and does it have internal sounds?
To get us on the same page, install the roland vsc again and remember or write down where the installer puts it. (it's just a .dll file)
Then start biab and hit 'opt' and 'midi/audio setup'. Tic 'use vst', untic midi thru for now, and hit 'vst/dxi settings'. When that menu opens, choose the top dropdown, go all the way to the bottom and click 'add vst, go to where the installer put your vsc and choose it, then close that menu when it loads.
Leave mme set for your audio, or set it back if it isn't (for now). Select your usb in for midi input, select 'no midi output'(for now), hit ok to close everything.
Hit style and load a midi style, hit load song demo and hit play. You should be hearing sounds from your roland vsc. Click the vsti synth button to see it. ((off to right of rec button. If it's hidden hit the two small arrows)
To record midi in biab select the red record button and it should record to the melody track. I'm thinking you should be able to do this now, but if not report back.
For biab help on vsti, type in 'vst' for some good starting points. For recording midi, the info is a little scattered, but 'record' will give you some starting points.
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Robert,
One way to easily get your drum track is to save the BIAB file you're working on and then open it in Realand. The drum track will then be created in Realband and it can be saved as a single track by highlighting the track and then exporting it to WAV (via the "Audio" option on the menu).
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Hi Jim
Coming to this one first.
First thing BIAB says when you hit 'Choose' for a file save location is 'Choose a file name. The file chosen must reside in the same folder C:\BB\ ... I tried that advice - still got the blank render.
Following your method. No 'make separate files' button - un-ticked 'Merge in Audio track' - same thing?? Do the (re)Render to WAV thing. first thing it tells me is 'REMEMBER UNLESS YOU HAVE MIDI SET TO RECORD IN THE RECORDING PROPERTIES NOTHING GETS RECORDED' - but as I posted earlier, 'Set Recording Properties' button does nothing (?!?)
Later, in the desktop folder I find a track called Render_1 which is very short and silent.
The Render dialogue box meanwhile tells me I have saved as BB\_NONAM~1.WAV. Never heard of it - must be a default name, That's 8 secs long as well and empty too.
Any ideas?
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Robert
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Thanks Jim
I don't appear to have VSC3 - my son did a partial install and abandoned, I'm trying to salvage something from the mess, don't have discs any more. Can I gt it somewhere, Isn't it free? I'd like it, I guess, but that's not the point. The sound here in BIAB is actually pretty good - way better than MS GS Wavetable synth - which I know well.
Still at a point where no sound is recorded. "'Use vst', untic midi thru" - these buttons don't appear on my current MIDI driver setup dialogue. I use Cubase SX3 these days rather than Sonar.
"To record midi in biab select the red record button and it should record to the melody track. I'm thinking you should be able to do this now, but if not report back."
No red record button on BIAB 11 that I can see, though there is a record button. No 'vsti synth button' or 'two small arrows' - a yellow box with nothing in it? Pressed Rec - it played but at the end said 0 notes recorded.
Any ideas?
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Hi Noel
Thanks for the tp, but I don't have Realband - just BIAB and Cubase.
Thanks anyway
Robert
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Hi Robert,
If you have BIAB 2011, you'll also have Realband as the PG Music set-up installs both programs at the same time. It will be under the Start Menu in the Band In A Box item. (You mentioned that you had version "11". I have taken this to mean version 2011, Windows edition. If it is indeed the very much older version 11, and/or a non-Windows edition then you may not have Realband.)
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Robert, serious question here: Do you have BIAB 2011, or do you have... BIAB 11? Which would put it at, what, the 2002 edition?
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... No 'make separate files' button - un-ticked 'Merge in Audio track' - same thing?? .....
Any ideas?.....
Like Noel, I assumed you had 2011, but it appears you have a much older version, and I won't be able to help you with that. The only thing I might suggest is that you can save to a midi file and then open that in cubase. The command is 'make a standard midi file' and it's found in the 'file' menu. That goes way, way back, so I'm pretty sure you have that lol.
Have you thought about upgrading. I know it's a lot of money, but it's also endless hours of entertainment. In my opinion, there is no other program out there that delivers more bang for the buck.
Edit: Another thing occurs to me. If you're routing midi back to your keyboard and getting sounds from it, then you do need to record those sounds first. The render to wave only works when you have a virtual synth assigned.
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I'm gonna throw this one to the boss. Peter? Andrew? I think this fine gent has BIAB 11. Is there any obvious way he can export a drum track only -- say, by rendering tracks individually, and/or muting everything but the drums? Could BIAB 11 do that?
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Io no comprendo!
I can hear the drum track, there's a button which says, Make a Wav out of this, you press it and it doesn't work.
What could be simpler? The sounds already exist, all I want to do is record them!!
Jim, thanks for trying, but that's not what I call hours of fun!
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Robert, There's probably not too many people here on the forums who remember BIAB. From what I can estimate, it's around 10 years old. Your best bet is to send an email to support@PGmusic.com. In that email, include the web address of this thread so they can see what has been discussed. It will make it easier for them. All the best, Noel
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