This post does not belong on 'our' forum.

The tenor, the information, and the objective all are suspect.

I have asked before, that those who wish to evangelize do so elsewhere.

I could put this user on ignore, but that would imply that I am ok with NOT putting up a dissenting view.

1. The Pilgrims are not what you think. And harvest festivals were held for millennia, it's not something invented by the 'yanks' from the 13 colonies.

2. The trip to North America was done by Vikings and many other groups long before anyone actually landed on the shores of the current USA.

3. Poor Chris, despite what you want to think, did never set foot on the continental USA.

4. At a significant point in the history of the present USA, one of the major reasons for 'Independence' and all that was that the British had treaties with the aboriginal peoples giving them control over 4/5 of the North American geography. This did not sit well with 'american' colonial aspirants, who wanted them all dead. The Brits, after the 'revolution', realizing the idea was to grab all the land, decided to defend Canada, where, according to you, were oppressed terribly. Too bad that was not true.

History, has multiple sides.

Religion does not belong here, or on any public forum. Find a forum of your own, where you all like to figure your interpretation of whatever you think is right, and be happy in your own little spot.

Don't mess with me, don't convert me, don't bury messages or make them an in your face as you think they should be. Be quiet. Study the arts and sciences. Learn.

IF you can keep your head when all about us,
Are discarding theirs and blaming others,
When you can ponder all mankind,
And make allowance for them,
If you can listen, closing your mouth and considering,
But allow all logical arguments to colour your position.
If when the facts do not support you; you change,
When being despised remain a lover,
Yet don't look fancy, nor speak as a sage:

If you can dream - and not make dreams your driving force
If you can think, - and understand
If you can meet reality and your inevitable demise
But don't panic, and be a stalwart
If you can think that wisdom changes,
And at times appears broken,
Then that is the lot of man,
As we lay broken on a field of ideas,
Our tools dulled by the effort to bring them
Before the wise and the foolish.


If you can gird yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
When lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And greet each with a happy heart,
Knowing you care giving,
Happiness, love, an courage.

Then you know that your qualities are exemplary,
Well regarded and lauded by many,
And held in high esteem by men and God,
And silently, held high by many.

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I made up the above.

In hopes that there is some 'moderation.'

I did not complain at length to the admins but I sorely wanted to do just that, complain.

It sure is real easy to puff up your existence and think that the billions don't get it but you do. Right.

I am, in my own way, very religious. My Gods are various and of no interest you you. Nor are yours to me. Please cease and desist. I am, as a person of my own conviction, offended that the potentially insidious intentions are creating discord.

I must say that I have said the same to my blood brothers, both 'evangelical' Baptists.

Like in the song Signs from the 60's. Do this don't do that. Sorry, we are only about a few hundred years from scalping each other for our beliefs. Don't get too set in your ways and decide I'm a heathen based on my choice of haircuts.

John Conley
Musica est vita