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Here is a song by Diamond Rio, that is being banned by a lot of radio stations. To think we are about to celebrate Thanksgiving. Which is a holiday in tribute to the fact that the pilgrims made it safely here so that they could worship the God of the Bible. Read what Christopher Columbus said about the reason he took the voyage. How it was the Holy Scriptures that kept him going when the science of the day said the trip was impossible. Now there are those that want to ban God references from money, from courthouses they do not want prayer. Yet the same folks gunning for God, want to worship in there own way. Pakistan has banned the use of Jesus Christ in all letters and e-mails and text, it is listed as an obscene word in their country now.

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Psalm 57:7 My heart, O God, is steadfast, my heart is steadfast; I will sing and make music.
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This post does not belong on 'our' forum.

The tenor, the information, and the objective all are suspect.

I have asked before, that those who wish to evangelize do so elsewhere.

I could put this user on ignore, but that would imply that I am ok with NOT putting up a dissenting view.

1. The Pilgrims are not what you think. And harvest festivals were held for millennia, it's not something invented by the 'yanks' from the 13 colonies.

2. The trip to North America was done by Vikings and many other groups long before anyone actually landed on the shores of the current USA.

3. Poor Chris, despite what you want to think, did never set foot on the continental USA.

4. At a significant point in the history of the present USA, one of the major reasons for 'Independence' and all that was that the British had treaties with the aboriginal peoples giving them control over 4/5 of the North American geography. This did not sit well with 'american' colonial aspirants, who wanted them all dead. The Brits, after the 'revolution', realizing the idea was to grab all the land, decided to defend Canada, where, according to you, were oppressed terribly. Too bad that was not true.

History, has multiple sides.

Religion does not belong here, or on any public forum. Find a forum of your own, where you all like to figure your interpretation of whatever you think is right, and be happy in your own little spot.

Don't mess with me, don't convert me, don't bury messages or make them an in your face as you think they should be. Be quiet. Study the arts and sciences. Learn.

IF you can keep your head when all about us,
Are discarding theirs and blaming others,
When you can ponder all mankind,
And make allowance for them,
If you can listen, closing your mouth and considering,
But allow all logical arguments to colour your position.
If when the facts do not support you; you change,
When being despised remain a lover,
Yet don't look fancy, nor speak as a sage:

If you can dream - and not make dreams your driving force
If you can think, - and understand
If you can meet reality and your inevitable demise
But don't panic, and be a stalwart
If you can think that wisdom changes,
And at times appears broken,
Then that is the lot of man,
As we lay broken on a field of ideas,
Our tools dulled by the effort to bring them
Before the wise and the foolish.


If you can gird yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
When lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And greet each with a happy heart,
Knowing you care giving,
Happiness, love, an courage.

Then you know that your qualities are exemplary,
Well regarded and lauded by many,
And held in high esteem by men and God,
And silently, held high by many.

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I made up the above.

In hopes that there is some 'moderation.'

I did not complain at length to the admins but I sorely wanted to do just that, complain.

It sure is real easy to puff up your existence and think that the billions don't get it but you do. Right.

I am, in my own way, very religious. My Gods are various and of no interest you you. Nor are yours to me. Please cease and desist. I am, as a person of my own conviction, offended that the potentially insidious intentions are creating discord.

I must say that I have said the same to my blood brothers, both 'evangelical' Baptists.

Like in the song Signs from the 60's. Do this don't do that. Sorry, we are only about a few hundred years from scalping each other for our beliefs. Don't get too set in your ways and decide I'm a heathen based on my choice of haircuts.


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Well put John.


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100% in agreement with John. I have my own beliefs & do not need to be preached to either.

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Totally in agreement with John......regardless of anyone's beliefs....this is a misuse of the forum. And the poster has been guilty of this before. PLEASE.....the are great forums....stick to the rules! Joe G.

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This post does not belong on 'our' forum.




I'm going to disagree with this statement, and with the various reasons given for it.

1) it's appropriate because it started with the posting of a song, which is commonly done here on the forum

2) it has been established in multiple lawsuits that to use religion as a basis for denying some people the same liberties enjoyed by everyone else is discrimination.

3) the post was accompanied by an opinion, which is also commonly done here on the forum. In fact each protest was accompanied by an opinion. If opinions are not allowed, then all of those who protested are also out of line

4) regarding the connection with the product and the church: I would bet that a VERY high percentage of PGMusic's sales are made to people who play in church. At a time when live music is at an all-time low everywhere else, pretty much every church in the world has live music every week. To risk alienating this group of people is not in PGMusic's best interest. Word gets around in the circles of faith. If a company is seen as an adversary to people of faith, people will spread the word.

5) We all encounter opinions we disagree with every day. Normally we just disagree. It is only in the arena of faith that people seem to require others to refrain from offering an opinion they don't want to hear. I see this as oppressive and unnecessary.

6) regarding the subject of forum protocol, it is generally the rule on forums that a wide range of opinion is tolerated. Furthermore, it is generally considered that people who stir up dissent are the trouble makers, not the people who post their thoughts. A discussion doesn't become a fight until somebody kicks back.

7) I'm curious to know... do you support censorship in any other arena, or only where matters of faith are concerned? I ask because it has been my experience that the people who protest the loudest about religious liberty are advocates of personal liberty in every other direction. To me that's hypocritical. The right to express an opinion should not be governed by what a small group dislikes. Liberty extends to people of all persuasions.

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This is why I do my best not to get into political or religious discussions on the PG forums. I'm fairly sure that my views on both differ a lot from many folks here. But that has nothing to do with how we can enjoy each other's music, and help each other with the software, and be online friends together.

I will say this on the attempts to remove "In God We Trust" from the money, from courthouses, schools, etc. -- The United States of America is indeed mostly populated by members of one flavor or another of the Christian faith. However, it is not a religious state. By that, I simply mean that the Constitution -- the backbone of our legal system -- very specifically exempts favoring, or discriminating against, any particular religion. That would be the First Amendment, in case you're wondering.

We are not a theocracy. We are a republic, a representative democracy (or we would be if our current representatives actually cared about their constituents, which sure doesn't seem to be the case from my p.o.v.)

And, bluntly, the entire "war on Christmas/Christians" thing is blown up by Fox News, and supported by other news outlets who want viewers and aren't afraid to use sensationalistic button-pushing stories to get 'em.
  • We're Day Five into our first official Pre-Black Friday Christmas retail feeding frenzy. Christmas decorations have been available in most major chains since at least the last week of October, and in some places much earlier.
  • We're about to have a month of holiday specials on TV, nearly all of them to do with Christmas.
  • Everything shuts down for the Christmas holiday itself except churches and Chinese restaurants, and as far as I can tell the only reason the latter don't shut down is they know some people will want to eat carry-out, even on Christmas day.
  • Every city in the country has, or will have, Christmas decorations. Even the "secular" variety, e.g., Santa and Reindeer and candy canes and elves and wrapped presents. How many of those cities put up similar decorations for Ramadan, Passover, or Kwaanzaa? Heck, more decorations are put up for Talk Like A Pirate Day than for those three.
  • Bill O'Reilly has already started his annual War On Christmas riff, deriding any place that refers to the end-of-year holidays as, y'know, holidays rather than Christmas -- except, of course, his own online store. (Haven't confirmed it for this year, but every year for the past several he's had "Happy Holidays" ornaments, in direct violation of his own screed.)
  • I drive all over the Eastern half of the country to gigs. Trying to find a classical music station -- or even a decent rock oldies station -- is a heck of a lot harder than finding either country stations or religious stations, and sometimes I find more of the latter. AM Radio? All religious or right-wing political, all the time.
  • Final, small, tiny little point -- NOBODY IS TRYING TO GET RID OF CHRISTMAS. It's all in the minds of people who are being jacked around by people who want to keep them scared and malleable.
Whew. Sorry to go on for so long, but I've been kinda holding it in for a few years now. If you haven't guessed, I'll come right out and say it: Politically, I'm a progressive/liberal; I'm also an atheist, and came to that decision a long time ago for reasons which have stood the test of time and reexamination for me. Because my mom sings in her church a few times a week and her church community has done wonders for her, I do my best not to be militant about religious matters these days, unless (as is unfortunately often the case) someone is trying to jam through some legislation that would affect me or my friends because of what that someone declares their God demands.

That said, I was raised Christian. (My lame joke is that, since I was raised first Lutheran, then Methodist, I worship ways to kill Superman.) I love celebrating Christmas with friends, I love Christmas music and sing a lot of carols, I always reread Dickens' A Christmas Carol from a big annotated hardcover edition I got twenty years ago.

And I do my best to clam up about this stuff in here because I don't want to offend anybody. You are my friends, and I'd like to keep it that way. If you all want to talk about it, fine. Just... I very well might not join in.

And now, back to the clamming up part.

Hugs and Happy Holidays to you all.

Rant off.


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"If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power,would be justified in silencing mankind." - John Stuart Mill



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YIKES!!
Come on y'all, LIGHTEN UP!!!

The reactions to the posted song seem surprisingly over the top considering the usual levels of tolerance displayed here.

You all know of respected members, who have contributed in the past, who continually express their underlying beliefs, or faith if you will, in their posts and responses.

Would Johnny Cash and Elvis have been treated the same if they had posted one of their Gospel songs.

For the record I try to respect the beliefs of all as long as they don't advocate intolerance (or worse) towards the beliefs of others or use religion as a tool of exploitation.

A song I wrote, "Prophet For Profit" at my website: http://www.carlkocich.com/Music.html
pretty much says it all.

Politics and religion are slippery slopes which can easily bring out the dark sides of those who think they are walking (or singing) in the light.

Hopefully as lovers of music we can rise above this and focus on trying to bring some joy into the world with our efforts, humble though they may be.

Think I'll take a page from Sheryl Crow and go soak up some son, OOPS I meant SUN:)

Have a Happy and Respectful Thanksgiving.
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Sounds like a plan, gents. For what it's worth, my primary "religious" offering is a two-parter, here and here.


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Don't get off the topic. I have, on more than one occasion, clicked a link by the OP, only to find out it was a hidden agenda.

Religion, it has been stated, is like one's penis. I'm glad you have one. I'm glad you are proud of it. Please don't wave it around. It does not need to be shoved at anyone.

I'm a tolerant person. I do believe in God. We celebrate Christmas. I also celebrate Beltane. I want a music forum.

I know there are lots of folks using Band in a Box in their church. I have made versions of hymns for my Mom and Dad.

I was alarmed at how the OP seemed so over the top. And of course we battle the age old dilemma of sleeping the the elephant as we call it here. I have heard more gospel music HERE than anywhere else in the last 30 years. And I normally have said nothing. And I have requested that a polite note be put in with some song that has a hidden intention.

Just remember some people believe that God is going to kill you for not being one of them.
And a few others think they should just help God out and end you miserable life now.

The difference between the two is on a few days on the scale of time. Yet for now, you don't agree with the latter of the above. Ponder that for an hour.


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I wasn't trying to get off the topic, John. PGF's topic seemed to be that the airplay, or lack thereof, of a Diamond Rio song was another symptom in a war against Christmas supposedly being waged by unnamed secularists. I'm one of those unnamed secularists, and I celebrate Christmas. And, as mentioned, I've clammed up for several years now here, and it just suddenly seemed like the right time to get stuff out and off my chest, once and for all.

I certainly wasn't trying to offend anyone, or take their religion to task, and I apologize if I did offend. I read once that, when it comes down to it, every variety of faith has one member, because no one else can be exactly the same in their head as you are in yours. I think that makes a lot of sense.


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I used to be one of the complainers about posting non musical stuff however I changed my position some time ago.Peter is OK with it. Why should I try to change what he's OK with.
I sort of get what John C. is talking about. Religion & belief in God, Jesus etc. are really two totally different things. Since my wife's passing I've had lots of time to think about these things. I do believe in God, Jesus, Heaven, after life etc. What I do have an issue with is the strong dogmatic teachings of religions. I went to Catholic school.If you believe in the Bible the Catholic religion was started by Jesus 2011 + or - years ago.We were told by the nuns that only Catholics go to Heaven.The other Christian religions say the same about their Religion. If you don't accept Jesus as your savior you're not going to Heaven. It's straight to hell.This tells me that every Jew, Muslim, Buddhist,all non Catholics or believers in Jesus born after year 1 are in Hell and that everyone born before that year one are also in hell.Come on do you really believe that.
I remember a little parable that was taught to me in school that I always think about. I can't remember it word for word but I hope you get the jist.

A very wise and learned man was walking the beach contemplating the mystery of the Trinity. He was very impressed with his intellect to figure these things out. He came upon a small boy who was using a small container to gather water and place it in a hole he had dug in the beach. The wise man said " what are you doing little boy"? He replied " I'm going to put the whole ocean into this hole". That's crazy the man replied you can't do that. The boy replied " I will place the whole ocean in this hole before you ever understand the mystery of the blessed trinity"

My point: No one KNOWS the answer. You just need to have faith or not that you will continue on after this life.


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Why the big discussion? SPAM!!


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Nice one, silvertones. As I wrote in my song, I just try to mind my business, clean things up, and get along. There's too much living to be done, too much good to be done, to do otherwise.

And on that note, I need to work on some music.


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Snopes says this about that.


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5) We all encounter opinions we disagree with every day. Normally we just disagree. It is only in the arena of faith that people seem to require others to refrain from offering an opinion they don't want to hear. I see this as oppressive and unnecessary.


7) I'm curious to know... do you support censorship in any other arena, or only where matters of faith are concerned? I ask because it has been my experience that the people who protest the loudest about religious liberty are advocates of personal liberty in every other direction. To me that's hypocritical. The right to express an opinion should not be governed by what a small group dislikes. Liberty extends to people of all persuasions.




+1 on both the above points.

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After all the discussion here I just had to listen to the song. I must admit I liked the guitarwork on the one I heard. Apart from that it was the usual patriotic drivel one expects from this type of song. About on the level of one of the alleged emails recieved by Snopes, <quote>
The Dictator Obama, no, no, its President Hitler is saying that is not fit for release because it offends so many. So America, see what you think can we say "CENSORSHIP"
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Words fail me.

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Here is a song by Diamond Rio, that is being banned by a lot of radio stations.




Personally, I wish folks would take the personal responsibility to research a story before they post it as fact. The story about the Diamond Rio song being banned by radio stations is pure fiction and has been in circulation since 2006 .

I have no problem with people discussing religion or most other topics as long as they stick to the truth. When a falsehood is circulated for the sole purpose of causing division, then it it probably does need to banned. If religion needs to be supported by firing people up with fabricated stories, that pretty much tells you the state of religion. In this case, it is used as a guise for a political statement, not a religious one.


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It's the perfect time to expand your Band-in-a-Box® style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs. These additional styles for Band-in-a-Box® offer a wide range of genres designed to fit seamlessly into your projects. Each style is professionally arranged and mixed, helping enhance your songs while saving you time.

What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?

XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-10 includes 1,000 styles!

Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). Xtra Styles PAKs 1-21 includes 3,700 styles (and 35 MIDI styles)!

The XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs are not included in any Band-in-a-Box® package.

The XPro Styles PAKs 1-10 are available for only $29 ea (reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Mac or for Windows.

The Xtra Styles PAKs 1-21 are available for only $29 ea (reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the Xtra Styles PAK Bundle for only $199 (reg. $349)! Listen to demos and order now! For Mac or for Windows.

Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version as they require the RealTracks included in the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

Supercharge your Band-in-a-Box today with XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAK Sets!

Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Mac Videos

With the release of Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac, we’re rolling out a collection of brand-new videos on our YouTube channel. We’ll keep this forum post updated so you can easily find all the latest videos in one convenient spot.

Whether you're exploring new features, checking out the latest RealTracks or Style PAKs, this is your go-to guide for Band-in-a-Box® 2026.

Check out this forum post for "One Stop Shopping" of our Band-in-a-Box® 2026 Mac Videos!

Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Mac is Here!

Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac is here and it is packed with major new features! There’s a new modern look, a GUI redesign to all areas of the program including toolbars, windows, workflow and more. There’s a Multi-view layout for organizing multiple windows. A standout addition is the powerful AI-Notes feature, which uses AI neural-net technology to transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI—entire mixes or individual instruments—making it easy to study, view, and play parts from any song. And that’s just the beginning—there are over 100 new features in this exciting release.

Along with version 2026, we've released an incredible lineup of new content! There's 202 new RealTracks, brand-new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two new RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!

Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac and save up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special offer—available until May 15, 2026. Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page to explore all available upgrade options.

2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
Our Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK are loaded with amazing add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is included with most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac packages, but you can unlock even more—including 20 unreleased RealTracks—by upgrading to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49.

Holiday Weekend Hours

As we hop into the Easter weekend, here are our holiday hours:

April 3 (Good Friday): 8:00 AM – 4:00 PM PDT
April 4 (Saturday): Closed
April 5 (Easter Sunday): Closed
April 6 (Easter Monday): Open regular hours

Wishing you an egg-cellent weekend!

— Team PG

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