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There has been a lot of discussion in this thread that takes the focus away from the OP's request. This is a Wishlist, and Rob/Rap is entitled to state his request. We should not be arguing with him, only inquiring if there is something not clear. I think his posts have been very clear.
And I would certainly not argue with the premise that 24-bit recordings would be better; I use that rate in my own recordings.
Perhaps a little history will help.
The audiophile version has been around since the beginning of RealTracks, as an option. I bought it, and have continued to do so. In those earlier versions, it admittedly made more of a difference, not only in sound quality from .WMA to .WAV, but in performance. BIAB converts the .WMA files to .WAV, but if there is also a .WAV version in the same folder, it uses that and loads the RealTrack faster. That was a serious performance benefit at the time. Once the Elastique algorithms were introduced, the number (and size) of RealTracks was cut by two-thirds, and yet the quality and adaptability of each was better. The performance difference between regular and audiophile became less, as well as the quality difference.
I need a good set of monitors and a good listening environment to tell the difference anymore, unless I am mixing many RealTracks, where additive noise begins to show up with the compressed .WMA files. There are also a few instruments, like solo guitar and piano, where the difference between audiophile and regular RealTracks is more readily apparent. Perhaps it would be better just to call the audiophile version "uncompressed" but I'm not sure how many people would understand the impact of that.
Hope that helps a little.
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I also agree with that statement, i always record at 24 bit. However the 16 bit files of real tracks are reported by most here to be quite good. and even the WMA files sound pretty darned good inside a solid well mixed track bed. Just to discount them wholesale is a bit naroow in view I think, but each to their own.
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Thanks Matt, for the BIAB history/background... appreciate it. :-)
The original topic most certainly got hijacked by the "audiophile" discussion - but I take some of that responsibility.
On the other hand: to put this back on track, in case someone from BIAB revisits this thread - I'm interested to hear what their thoughts are on a VST Instrument/or sample library that uses samples from the RealTracks instruments.
Cheers!
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Your request is fascinating, Rob. While I can't envision how it would work with attacks and timbre and all, I also could not envision half of what PG Music has already been able to accomplish. And, someday, 24-bit will likely be the standard. That would be nice, especially for more headroom in mixes. I wonder if they recorded the masters at 24 bit, just as you wonder if they captured samples.
All that side discussion about human hearing, which comes up around here periodically, is fun, too. Despite a history of male deafness in my family, and a history of playing in a lot of loud bands over the last 50+ years, I am blessed today with remarkably sensitive hearing. Still, I max out at just under 13K.
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Sure beats my 2.7 top, and the fact that 2.2 and above might be ok if it's jacked to 70 db above ambient.
I guess headroom might be irrelevant to me, unless it a place where they smoke...
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You do wreck the curve, John.
And, I didn't inhale...
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I wonder if they recorded the masters at 24 bit, just as you wonder if they captured samples.
So do I - whats the old saying? "...do it right the first time"?
BTW: I just checked out your Brazilian Wish CD, it sounds pretty hot! Kudos....
Where did you record/mix/master it?
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Thanks, Rob. Remember, you are not listening to BIAB. It was done in 2005 before RealTracks existed. All the compositions were written using BIAB, so Peter Gannon approved my posting about it.
Recorded in three studios in Rhinebeck, NY, Warwick, NY and New York City.
Mixed at Nevessa studios in Woodstock NY.
Mastered by Dr. Toby Mountain in Southboro, MA.
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LOL! Yea... I knew those were real players. Sounds great!
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