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Reboot, set to default, yada yada yada....  This worked YESTERDAY and nothing was touched. Nothing. I pretty much quit. This software is just too buggy. Every issue is met with reboot the computer, reset to default, etc.... I have a better idea. Fix the software so we don't have to reboot the computer and rest to default every time we sit down to use it. You have ANY idea how long it takes to reset to default with these MOTUs? I have to rest in Real Band, run a MOTU config program... and that would all be fine if it worked. I rebooted, reset to default, configured this, tweaked that..... 6 times tonight. Every time I ran the program I got this error. And remember, it worked yesterday, and I changed nothing between the time it worked just fine and hit play.
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Hey Eddie, I used to get RB crashing freezing up alot and it would just happen. Not saying this is your problem but when I got updated asio drivers for my emu and disabled asio4all it stopped happening to me. You sound so frustrated - I hope you figure it out. 
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Hey Eddie - I can hear you screaming. I don't have your RB problems but I've been working on a home internet networking problem for the last five weeks - you know, tweak then reboot everything hours a day with no joy and no apparent reason.
As for RB . . . back in the day of PT, it used to be if you sent the access numbers of the violation to PG Central they could tell where in the software the problem was being caused, and it would give them a clue for correction. I'm wondering if they still do that.
Maybe send it to support. I'm not sure how much they monitor the forum, noting down these access addresses. I've noticed that Tracks Window does put a heavy load on my 2.4 Proc./2.5 GB Ram rig.
I wish you a quick solution.
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Eddie, we went around and around about this earlier this year and after 6 or whatever pages of posts and rants, it was your personal setup which you sheepishly admitted. Remember? Now you're on to a new and fairly complex setup.
First, you don't have to say yes to the return to defaults question. I never do that if I know nothing has changed. Many times this kind of thing is a ASIO/MME thing. Try switching those two. If you use ASIO do you have more than one program using ASIO open? Remember ASIO is a one trick pony with PG's stuff. If you have both Biab and RB or any other program open at the same time using ASIO, you can get errors.
Second, I gotta say it again for the umteenth time, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE PROGRAM. See anybody else with some kind of chronic, repeatable, show-stopping problem? No?
Sorry buddy, I like you we have a lot in common but you tend to get over emotional and go over the top with these things and you insist on doing things your way like with these MOTU's. I'm not going to look up the details but several of the experts here thought what you wanted to accomplish could be done in a simpler way.
I'm just posting this for new people who might happen onto this forum trying to check this stuff out. They see this and think, oh no, this is a piece of crap, better stay away.
NOT TRUE.
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When i get a crash, nad please no one tell me that other programs do not crash, i hace had crashes on Sonar, Reaper, MTS, and RB.
I never say yes to reset to default. I no that my default is fine. Usually it is my method that crashed the program. Stop and think a minute, about what load you put on the system, and what you might do different.
I remember when Reaper 2 was out i downloaded ,and could not get through a single session without a horrible crash. I know tons of folks claimed it was very stable, but for me it was shaky! It was most likely something in my VSTi folder, or setup.
I will say that despite how fun and productive RB is, it is not on the level stablility wise with some of my other programs, it will crash if you push it real hard. However i can run it very hard for hours if i just don't do certain things with it. This is true of all hosts, each has it's shaky areas, and certain tasks that "mash" it's button! Mash is a southern states (south of the mason/dixon) USA Term!
Eddie, hope you figure it out, cause it is worth it. Something is causing this, try to isolate what is happening when it crashes. Look at plug ins, processes, and drivers.
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Eddie, we went around and around about this earlier this year and after 6 or whatever pages of posts and rants, it was your personal setup which you sheepishly admitted. Remember? Now you're on to a new and fairly complex setup.
First, you don't have to say yes to the return to defaults question. I never do that if I know nothing has changed. Many times this kind of thing is a ASIO/MME thing. Try switching those two. If you use ASIO do you have more than one program using ASIO open? Remember ASIO is a one trick pony with PG's stuff. If you have both Biab and RB or any other program open at the same time using ASIO, you can get errors.
Second, I gotta say it again for the umteenth time, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE PROGRAM. See anybody else with some kind of chronic, repeatable, show-stopping problem? No?
Sorry buddy, I like you we have a lot in common but you tend to get over emotional and go over the top with these things and you insist on doing things your way like with these MOTU's. I'm not going to look up the details but several of the experts here thought what you wanted to accomplish could be done in a simpler way.
I'm just posting this for new people who might happen onto this forum trying to check this stuff out. They see this and think, oh no, this is a piece of crap, better stay away.
NOT TRUE.
Bob
Bob I have to agree.I've run this thing not only for hours at home but for 4 hrs at a wack out in the field and I use 3 different sound cards running 3rd party drivers. So........
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Now to try and give one little pointer that may help.
When you open RB LEAVE IT ALONE for a few minutes until it's totally done loading and doing everything it needs to do.Sometimes takes a minute or so.
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Good point John. RB needs to go through it's gyrations first. It accesses several options, and once that is done it is happy to go.
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First, you don't have to say yes to the return to defaults question. I never do that if I know nothing has changed. Many times this kind of thing is a ASIO/MME thing. Try switching those two. If you use ASIO do you have more than one program using ASIO open? Remember ASIO is a one trick pony with PG's stuff. If you have both Biab and RB or any other program open at the same time using ASIO, you can get errors.
ASIO and ASIO4ALL don't work at all so I don't even attempt to use them. When I try to use ASIO, whatever is in the first Real Band track plays at like 72,000 decibels no matter which channel I route to in the MOTU.
And the not accepting the "reset to default" was not what I was referring to. What I was referring to was that most replies posted in any forum for any issue start with "reset to factory default" and reboot the computer.
This problem is not like that last one, but I won't go on about it here anymore. I have reset and rebooted enough and nothing helped. PG Support said it was "my setup". Okay, "my setup" worked fine for a 3 hours session just 14 hours before this started. I did not touch a thing, not even the monitor. I went upstairs the next day, moved the mouse to defeat the screen saver, hit play on the same song that was loaded and worked fine 14 hours earlier, and go this memory exception. Nothing on the computer, interface, card, song file, mixer.... nothing at all was touched. The drivers were the same drivers that were loaded when it was working fine. There was no driver update issued by MOTU for the card they quit making in 2009 between point in time A and point in time B.
Do you see why this is so frustrating? I lost a whole night resetting and rebooting to no avail.
The latency and stuttering I won't even discuss because it makes me too angry to run through a 5 minute song and in the 5 seconds the thing burps and I have a hole in my song and have to play it again and hope it doesn't stutter again. No matter where I set the buffers, it continues to happen with no interruption in the CPU whatsoever. I would accept it if I was moving the mouse and causing an IRQ pulse. This is WHY the MOTUs. I don't want to be interrupting the CPU during playback moving the mouse to mix on the screen.
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Now to try and give one little pointer that may help.
When you open RB LEAVE IT ALONE for a few minutes until it's totally done loading and doing everything it needs to do.Sometimes takes a minute or so.
It had been running since the night before, when it all ran fine. 14 hours later I went back upstairs, did nothing but hit "play" and got a memory exception error. Doesn't that tend to eliminate my hardware, software, methods, my everything? MOTU did not write new drivers for the card they stopped making in 2009 between Monday night and Tuesday night. The setup was good Monday night when I walked away at 2am. Tuesday later afternoon, this started. I mean, geeze, the computer was not even powered off. Nothing changed at all.
Do you understand why this is so frustrating?
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You left it on for 14 hours? Was RB open that whole time? Did you start changing things in RB settings before the first reboot?
I always reboot before every session, One of my habits.
Your ASIO being very loud may be in the routing inside the MOTU mixer, maybe it's feeding back thru .. just an idea. Those soundcard software mixers can get confusing; there is a playback level (monitoring) and another input feed level (to computer) .. and if that computer input comes back out added into the original signal it can be disconcerting (like the pun?).
The EMU routing (patchmix) on some cards was such a pain to me I disqualified it. Others here use this system, and trying to undo what they did while trying to 'fix' something would have been a nightmare. Maybe MOTU ASIO has that level of complication; I dunno.
Just trying to help ya bud, those are the things I see from your post that stuck out to me. I'd be sad to see you go, after you've had so much success with many features. You were using some pretty complex devices and setups. And getting stuff done. Something changed.
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OK Eddie, I suggest you move on, try Reaper for all recording (its free for 30 days and then only the nag screen) so you can give it a good try for no cost. Or read this and pick one.. DAWs Use RB only to generate some RT's and then drag and drop them over as needed. After a period of time, consider what you have and what you gave up. Its good to try new things. You may find the grass is greener with an alternate DAW or you may come back. Either way, it should be about making music not fighting with computer hardware and software. Good luck.  Oh, and by the way, Rharv is right. Reboot any DAW prior to a session - just a good practice to avoid problems. 
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The starting stopping stuttering thing is either a video driver, or a plug in. I had it, and several others have too. But it was fixable.
Try what Dan said, download Reaper, and drop your song bed tracks over there, and mix in that system it is pretty simple. BiaB can still build the tracks for you.
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Eddie. No comments about my question to you about why has no one else had problems like these?
You don't know what you're doing, period. You don't think this stuff through and you don't follow instructions from those who have done it all before for years.
Your problem is you know too much.
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I'm not going to look up the details but several of the experts here thought what you wanted to accomplish could be done in a simpler way.
Bob, the only part I will comment on is what I left quoted.
People have indeed showd me options but none to end up where I want to be, which is mixing on my Mackie mixer and not on the screen. Iwant to ability to boost and cut many tracks at the same time in real time, not drums, then bass, then guitar, then.....
It kinda sorta works. I just can't deal with the latency every time I interrupt the CPU.
I'll figure it out.
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You left it on for 14 hours? Was RB open that whole time? Did you start changing things in RB settings before the first reboot?
The only reason it was pertinent to the situation is that though it was left on that long nothing changed on the computer or int he software between the time I walked away early in the morning Tuesday to when I went back to it early in the evening Tuesday. All I did was move the mouse to turn off the screen blanker and hit play, and got a memory exception error after running the thing for 5-6 hours Monday night/Tuesday morning. Everyone seems to assume I suddenly had the desireto crawl under the tables and start making wiring changes, tweaking things that were working... nothing changed.
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Your ASIO being very loud may be in the routing inside the MOTU mixer, maybe it's feeding back thru.
MOTU mixer is throwing me. MOTU isn't mixing anything to my knowledge unless the MUXing to bring the channels out through one cable and then deMUXing at the other end to split them back out is what you mean. Know though that whatever output I assign it tom it is always the top (first) track in the song that is driving so hard.
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Just trying to help ya bud, those are the things I see from your post that stuck out to me. I'd be sad to see you go, after you've had so much success with many features. You were using some pretty complex devices and setups. And getting stuff done. Something changed.
I know oyu are trying to help, as is everyone, but I perhaps didnot explain my goals and setup right. The desired end result is to mix on my mixer, all 16 tracks at once, rather than one at a time with mouse. If there was a way to boost and cut more than one tack at a time like an analog mixer inside of a soft mixer, this would not even be an issue. However, short of having 16 rodents and 16 hands, that can't happen. When it is working, it is great. Fingers on sliders, mixing drums and bass and piano and guitar.... just like when I sit behind the moxer at a Teaser gig and make them sound good.
I will figure this out. I am stubborn when it comes to anything techie and this will NOT beat me.
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Perhaps your screen saver is the clue.
There are also things that the computer does all on it's own when it senses it is idle. It may be shutting down things like soundcards, video processing, etc.
And there are tons of other software products that mess with things.
The only real stable system is one that is clean of all those call home things and stupid stuff they 'give' you on a new system.
I've run the same program for a number of years and NEVER has a crash. That's on 3 different systems and for about 8 product cycles.
Certain folks seem plagued with problems and it sure is frustrating trying to help them.
In this particular case, I wonder if the program isn't trying to write a file once in a while and the o/s does a sort of soft shutdown. Now on waking the computer RealBand may want to check a setup file or write a small bit so it can do the UNDO command, and this happens before drives are ready and SMACK an error message. In the case of this program the guy who wrote powertracks may know more about what goes on. The best bet is to save the work, close the program, and then wake things up gently.
I am of course, pulling straws here, but one should work at some point in time.
The only program I'm prone to leaving open for long stretches, (Like days), is Band in a Box and I've not had a problem with it. Perhaps someone else can try the leave it on overnight and see what happens in the morning. Might be a case of waking up with a coyote.
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If your screen is not a CRT, there's no need for a screen saver.
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Eddie,
Just for the record I indeed know exactly what you're trying to accomplish. I used to do the exact same thing.I also don't think leaving the thing idle for 14hrs is good either unless you disable screen savers and all the power control options,hibernate and God knows what else.
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