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Not a bad song. But I frankly don't know what to say here as without the piano intro which doesn't fit since there's no other piano in the song - this song starts off exactly like our song "Borderline" and then uses our intro over and over.....coincidence I imagine and would hope - but weird nonetheless.....just saying....

http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=332894&an=0&page=0#Post332894

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Josie Dear,


At first read I thought you might be joking. Then I realized that you were indeed serious. You are actually accusing me of plagiarizing your song?


Not that such a libelous accusation deserves a response, but in the interest of preserving my good name in this community, I cannot let this stand.


Firstly, I am not in the habit of plagiarism, but if I were, it would most certainly not be from a song of the caliber of “Borderline” (which, by the way, I never heard until you linked to it in your scurrilous accusation).


Secondly, with thousands of people using a limited number of BIAB styles, one would expect some occasional overlap. Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of theory, meter and prosody would know that.


Thirdly, I have been writing music for four decades, and have never found the need to steal from anyone.


“Frankly”, for someone who doesn't ' know what to say here', you have done a good job of slandering my good name while at the same time making yourself appear rather delusional and petty.


I will gladly accept your apology when it is forthcoming.


"Just saying".


p.s. I do apologize for using the terms “frankly” and “just saying”, as you probably have copyrighted them.

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90 dB,

Josie and I have been around for a while as well. We've all seen this kind of thing before and qualified our statement above by saying we hoped it was a coincidence.

We just wanted to ensure that our perception and position was stated... with that we will not respond further to this thread.

Bob

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90db,

Stop being a sarcastic mean mouth so quick with personal attacks. I didn't accuse you of anything. Just thought it was a coincidence the songs sound so similiar. First time it's ever happened going on four years on this board and it made me feel weird.

I've wondered if it would happen - it did. It's disconcerting. I wish I could say it isn't but it is.....

If I thought you were intentionally up to no good - insulting me on a board would not be your option.

Find a way to chill and let's move on.

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Unfortunately misunderstandings happen.

Let's get past this one.

Peace.

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After listening to both songs twice, i have to say they are kind of similar. Seems that they use some of the same RTs, and have some common roots, in their chord structure. The full song beds are different in line structure, and the finished sound is different.

Actually Robert, i don't think Josie was trying to accuse you of anything, just somewhat taken back. I do see where you could take her comments in that direction though.

Sad when we clash over things like this, but really most musicians tend to be kind of sensitive to their creations.

I hope you all can find a peaceful solution to all this and not allow it to affect you to deeply. <aybe it would be a good time to just chalk it up to the fact that typed media can be rather misleading at times, and leave it at that.

Hopeful, Rob

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Rob,

I don't believe this was a 'misunderstanding'. It began with this statement:

 “...this song starts off exactly like our song "Borderline" and then uses our intro over and over...”


The inference is clear; I lifted their intro and wrote this song from it. As I stated, I had never even heard their song until it was linked in this thread as “proof” of my plagiarism.

'...our intro...'?

PG Music's intro, actually. Anyone who types in those particular chords into that particular style will produce the same progression. Hence, they sound ' kind of similar'.


To imply that I would steal from anyone, let alone this particular entity, is not only ludicrous, but highly insulting.

I am completely open to forgetting the entire sordid matter, as soon as a sincere apology is offered. As I said – that would be the honorable thing to do.

I am not holding my breath though.

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Yeah, i understand your feelings, stuff like this can really get under one's skin. I would just like to offer, that in my 10 years of posting on forum boards, i have seen that on many occasions, what was written was a bit different from what was meant.

What i mean is in typed media, you lose inflection, and tone, and it is far less likely to be able to pick up on intent. Some one might write "No problem", and on the surface that sounds benign, but in reality they might have had a very deeply sarcastic overtone, but it is lost in print.

Josie might have said:“...this song starts off exactly like our song "Borderline" and then uses our intro over and over...” but their might have been a raised and suprised set of eyes behind it, as if she was suprised at how much they sounds similar. There could have been no intent on insulting, but just a statement of curious surprise.

I believe what cemented this situation is Mr. Dean responding as he did, in saying " we hoped it was a coincidence" My how we musicians can get uppity over our musical children.

Once again I understand your feelings, and by the way i am a fan of your work. Sometimes we have to just no allow things like this to bug us. If i ever let something like this get to me, (and trust me i have many times) I love it when someone reminds me that it is just a forum board, and to be the peacemaker!

I listened and could see the similarities, but really as was pointed out by you and them, there are going to be over laps where we work from a finite set of tools. Man i can spot the fingerpick RTs a mile away.

A respectful word in the other direction, Josie, and Bob, even though you say you did not mean it as taken, it easily could be taken that way, that is as an insult. Just a thought, but what would it hurt to apolgize to the gentleman, and offer the olive branch?

Life folks, is to short to live with "knickers in a twist!" (see another post)

Good day to you all!

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Rob,


I realize that nuance is often lost on forums, but in this case, the inference was clear. As you noted, it was reinforced by Mr. Dean's response. I have a rather thick skin, having experienced tons of rejection in this business, but draw the line at being accused of plagiarism.


A salient point brought up by my wife was this: who in their right mind would plagiarize a song and then post it on the same site frequented by the persons supposedly plagiarized? It just doesn't make sense.


The funny thing is that I wrote and recorded this song in about an hour, knowing it was not commercial, but just another exercise with BIAB. I never expected such controversy (or animus).

I will wait for an apology. I suppose I should make myself comfortable.


Regards,


Bob
Plagiarist Extraordinaire

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90 db

I really like your song. It has a very relaxed feel, perfect to your voice.

// Jan R

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You have a great voice. Nice mix. Thanks for sharing!

My Music

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