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I jumped at the purchase, always eagerly anticipating new developments. Given the opportunity to use VSTi's within the program now, surely such luxury would necessitate the use of 64 bit capability by now. Don't you agree? I cannot envisage using all of my VST instruments in a DAW without 64 bit. I also, just as in another thread, agree that Jazz, Country and Pop realtracks are concentrated on above all other realtracks. Contemporary Folk, (NOT COUNTRY) and Classical realtrack instrumentation would be greatly appreciated. Will ya still need me, will ya still feed me ..... when I'm 64? 
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Wow. Some users are having problems using both cores on the O/S with software let alone 64 bit and 4. I don't think you are going to see Micropoo explain this, provide the tools, and have it working so everyone can use it, any time in the next few months. That's just my opinion. And what do you know of the compiler being used, if it is even available for 64 bit, and then optimized for quad cores etc. Nice idea in theory. In that this company does more for the buck with what they have than the average, I suspect you are going to see it sooner than later.
For now if you have a 64 bit system you cannot use a bunch of stuff, like the VSC Dxi most of us used all the time.
Maybe if you contacted them and offered to pay most of the development costs they would make you a copy though. I can hear the crashes from here. Undocumented O/S features, bang! Down again.
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Oh oh....a newbie here John. Is this a problem? I'm running a 64 bit quad core. Are you saying that the 2012 BIAB will cause problems with my current 64 bit system or Sonar X1c 64 bit?
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Oh oh....a newbie here John. Is this a problem? I'm running a 64 bit quad core. Are you saying that the 2012 BIAB will cause problems with my current 64 bit system or Sonar X1c 64 bit?
Not at all. BIAB runs fine on my system (see below). There have been some issues reported with RB adn the multiple cores, - I have not seen any of these issues but then I don't use RB a lot. But BIAB will run great for you. 
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Oh oh....a newbie here John. Is this a problem? I'm running a 64 bit quad core. Are you saying that the 2012 BIAB will cause problems with my current 64 bit system or Sonar X1c 64 bit?
No problems here running core I5 64 bit win7. The old Roland VST dxi synth is a 32 bit app that was included with BIAB will not work on a 64bit machine. They have included a Forte program that will work.
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I've not had any problems running BIAB or RB on my system. win7x64 i5 (4 cores).
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Malevans – I agree with you. 64 bit is the standard in music creation now so PGMusic will have to go that route sooner or later. I would love to be able to use PGMusic’s DXIs in Sonar again as they are second to none. Note that I know I can load the 32 bit Sonar X1C to use them but I could run out of memory using 32 bit.
Mountain Side – you should have no problem running 2012 on your 64 bit quad core. What melevan is talking about is the use of VSTis in BiaB. Some of them require quite a lot of RAM so if you use a number of them you will run out as 32 bit machines can only access 3 gigs of ram.
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For the record I am running 64 bit Win 7. On 2 of 6 computers. The rest are Linux variants, and I have most of them (older computers) configured for one thing only. My new camera, which I paid most of up front, will have a gps built in. That means one more computer (laptop) bites the dust, all it did was post gps data to picture files using an automated script I wrote a few years back. It was a pain getting them posted to a directory and fetched, you can automate stuff in Linux but on a pc that's a nightmare.
Time to re-write that, I was using it in Europe, but my new flowchart on the wall has me using a linux box to fetch pictures from the windows directories and look for matches in gps and other areas so I can process the files and shove the back onto the windows machine3.
32 bit o/s biz is going to die very hard. XP was quite stable and ran a lot of stuff Vista 64 and Win 64 cannot, and in many cases the software may be orphaned but has a hard core of users. My best friend is a prof and always used WordPerfect. He upgraded to Win7 and it just won't work, always hanging, etc. So guess what, brand new machine now has XP again. "Open Office", well he claims to be an old dog, so no new tricks.
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For clarity, BB is a 32 bit app, but works fine on 64 and 32 bit systems. I use 64 bit Windows 7 when programming BB, but of course we test it in various envoirnments (XP/Vista/Windows 7 etc).
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MarioD has it in a nutshell.
I am using 24 gig of memory on a rather large machine utilizing Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit. When editing video, I can take advantage of my '580 cuda cores' with the GTX 580 and get amazing processing speed in Avid or Adobe Premiere. This does not call too much on my 24 gigs of ram. On the other hand, if I load up Vienna Symphonic Orchestra, along with Symphobia, Ivory Grand, Omnisphere .... etc, etc.I will be utilising a great deal of my system ram, far more than I could achieve with a 32 bit DAW.
In Studio One 2 with 64 bit I use all of the VST Instruments I need along with oodles of effects processin,g mixing and mastering tools. No problem whatsoever, 0% latency thanks to Xonar Essence STX soundcard. I don't have to mixdown to audio tracks anymore while tweaking around for the right mix.
Please forgive me for seeming to boast about high end gear. I saved and worked long and hard for what I have managed to accumulate. It will all be out of date probably next year.
I love B&B .... There is no other concept that comes anywhere near it and long may it develop. I too still keep with fondness the original B&B floppy disks. I have to suggest though .... 64 Bit will have to be offered to take advantage of VSTi's within the software.
Thanks for input everyone.
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Oh .... the voting hasn't started. It seems I put 12/07/11. Here in 'Pastie land', Cornwall, UK It should have been 7th Dec 2012, or 07/12/11 as you guys do it on that side of the pond.
Sorry 'bout that. :-0
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Most Digital Audio Workstations now offer 32 bit & 64 bit versions of their software. Sonar, Cubase, Studio One, Samplitude etc.
On 32 bit machines only 32 bit software will work. On 64 bit machines both versions will work but to utilise the full potential of system ram on a 64 bit machine Win 7 Ultimate can utilise ... I think it's 192 gigs of ram at the last count. 32 bit machines support only 4 gigs of ram.
I think those of us that can use a lot of ram would really appreciate being offered a 64 bit Band in a Box version. Then WOWSERS....... THE SKY'S THE LIMIT.
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Most Digital Audio Workstations now offer 32 bit & 64 bit versions of their software. Sonar, Cubase, Studio One, Samplitude etc.
On 32 bit machines only 32 bit software will work. On 64 bit machines both versions will work but to utilise the full potential of system ram on a 64 bit machine Win 7 Ultimate can utilise ... I think it's 192 gigs of ram at the last count. 32 bit machines support only 4 gigs of ram.
I think those of us that can use a lot of ram would really appreciate being offered a 64 bit Band in a Box version. Then WOWSERS....... THE SKY'S THE LIMIT.
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that's not necessarily true. on 64bit systems, 32bit VST's will not work unless they are wrapped by a "bit bridge" of some kind (there are some proprietary ones like in Sonar or general ones like j-bridge).
32bit DX and DXi will not work at all in 64bit OS system. those plugins must be updated to work on a 64bit environment and there's not a wrapper available for those types of plugins.
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Mal, just curious. I get your point but in Biab you only have 7 instrument slots and most of the styles use 4 or 5 and a couple of those would surely be Real Tracks, no? Do you really envision yourself actually using several of these huge VSTi and VST plugins for a 5 piece band just to listen to something in real time? Using RB or another huge multitrack DAW sure, you have 62 tracks of your classical or Jordan Rudess like opus running 14 high end VST instruments with 23 plugins, yeah, you would need all the horsepower you can get, but Biab?
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XP was quite stable and ran a lot of stuff Vista 64 and Win 64 cannot, and in many cases the software may be orphaned but has a hard core of users. My best friend is a prof and always used WordPerfect. He upgraded to Win7 and it just won't work, always hanging, etc. So guess what, brand new machine now has XP again. "Open Office", well he claims to be an old dog, so no new tricks.
John, what version of win 7 does your friend have? Home will not run any old XP software, however Pro will run a lot of it. I have Corel PhotoPaint 7, a very old Win 95 program up and running on Pro, as well as a few other XP programs I do not have WordPerfect so I can not comment on that one. Be forewarned that none of Microsoft’s XP software like older versions of Office will run.
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64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
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For now if you have a 64 bit system, you cannot use a bunch of stuff, like the VSC Dxi most of us used all the time.
For BB? Please explain? - to quote an infamous Aussie. Do you mean specifically the Roland? CoyoteWT works pretty well for me.
I have been running a 64-bit computer for the last three years without significant BB problems.
Can you still purchase 32-bit computers? I don't think so. Certainly, my customers do not buy them these days.
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Yeah, I'm running BB on a 64 bit Home premium with no problem so far, but you're right the only way to run some older programs is using the pro version and then installing the "XP mode" from microsoft.
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I would guess there are 2 levels of application here.
There is the code and the requirement that the 64 bit implementation be such that it takes the software to a place where it will operate faster and with less demand on the resources.
Then there is the FACT that the compiler must be available to take the source code and do the 64 bit thing on compilation after it's written to take advantage of dual core, quad core, and the extra memory available.
It sure is tempting looking at fairly large flash drives and wondering what if I put all the O/S plus band in a box on a flash drive, what would happen to the times?
Right now on my laptop it takes quite a while to get a song going with 4 RealTracks.
How long with all on a flash drive?
How long if the program was 64 bit?
How long if I got a screamer of a system.
I have, for the last 2 years, had the program on a big HP media system on Win7. What's next after 64 bit Win7 with 8 gigs of memory and a TB of space?
Can I run Biab and a slideshow on a projector at the same time without problems? (Stay tuned!)
As I said before this is curiosity based as much as anything.
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Bumping .... didn't realise threads rushed by so quickly.
Thanks for responses to date.
I really think it would be a major step forward.
@Beagle ..... Yes Beagle, bridges do work up to a point for 32 bit vsti's but are unreliable, particularly when the plugin was intended to run as 32 bit. Jbridge has worked well for me but even then, certain plugins still crash the daw.
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I admit I'd very much like a 64-bit rewrite for BIAB. Besides the fact that it could use all the memory and CPU power I have, it would most likely allow for exceeding the dratted 256-bar limit.
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- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
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