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Yes, which is why I went back into testing notes to try to find that, but couldn't find it. Nothing mentioned during 2012 testing; I searched on "generat" so it would pick up both generate and generation .. but saw nothing regarding missing bars.
If support can dupe it, they can help much more than I can now.
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I have a similar issue at times. will generate a few tracks, and maybe do a tempo change and regenerate a bunch of them, and some will act up. I look at them and say it is a stereo track, near the end of the track, maybe the last few bars, one half will have no color to it for a stretch, and the other half is still yellow. Some mono tracks will have the color stop at a point, but the wave form is still there. It all seems to play, but kind of glitchy.
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Disappearing Bars ? Where will I escape to when my wife is home ? Say it ain't true ! lol
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No problem Ian.
UPDATE:
I created a brand new song in BIAB this morning, then opened it in Real Band. Tried the regenerate selected region and it WORKS FINE ! ..on any track I tried. So, this seems to only be a factor for songs constructed prior to the 2012 release.
For me, that means about 30 tunes I have in construction may have to go on the scrap heap and recreate them all from scratch in the 2012 software... or wait for a patch from support.
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FWIW when I tested yesterday I also tested on a song created in 2011 and had no problems so that may not be the issue. I did this before trying a new style with all BB track (which still worked). If you still think it is part of the problem, try this; open an older song in RB, and don't change anything, just 'Save As' to another name. Then open that new file and try.. if the saving format is an issue it may reveal itself by simply saving it before working. Maybe your computer was just tired yesterday 
Last edited by rharv; 12/10/11 09:39 AM.
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Yesterday in my marathon phone call with Rob in support, he was able to duplicate the issue on his system (he grabbed one of my files to his PC).
Bob, I tried other methods this morning as well, including what you suggested... taking an existing track, save as new name, open the new file and it still produces the missing wave form. I have regenerated all Real Tracks on an existing (older) file, still no good.
From my testing so far, it looks like any file created with non-2012 software produces this issue, at least on my system. I created 3 brand new 'tunes' and they all work fine with no regen issues.
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Weird, like I said I tried an older file yesterday with no problem. Hopefully support will get it sorted out.
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Indeed...if PG's development staff is 1/2 as dedicated as Rob and others on the support staff, I would expect a build revision sometime soon !
rharv, I'd love for you to send me one of your files to test in my setup ? Possible ?
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On this machine the smallest seq file I have is 54 meg, and it's a while back (old) maybe last saved in RB2011, been saved as another name quite a few times, but it's also the oldest seq file. I just checked it and it worked fine here. You wanna try a 54 meg download? I could probably erase a few tracks to shrink it a little .. and you'll likely not have the plugins I used, so the tracks would sound way off from how they do here .. but I'd post it for testing. Long as the filesize isn't an issue.
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Do have a BIAB .sgu file w/ some Real Tracks, create date early 2011 ? I could then import that into RB
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Probably not.
sgu files don't last long here, and since we were talking RB I assumed seq files. That may be a clue; opening old sgu files .. I can't test that presently.
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OK, now this one is a biggie to me. I tweak the Real Tracks a LOT before mixing. I will regenerate a bar, a phrase until I find something I like.
Today, I highlighted a single bar of a vibes track, did the Regenerate Real Track - vibes patch (Selected region)... It DOES regenerate the selected region but also ERASES the next 4 bars ! Nada...wave form is wiped out !?
I have had the same problem with 2011 & 2012 all the time,
it also generates a blank yellow track all the way up to bar 250 odd
when you may only have 98 bars.
I sent a video in to support quite some time back.
BAR_ERASE.avi
Bob.
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I had an issue (my fault  ) with the 11.5 Everything Pak. HD. With just one call P.G. Music took control of my lap top and fixed it as I sit and watched. The HD went back in the box and is now waiting for the 2012 -2 DVD update. Thanks again Will. e.l.c.
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Leon, I had a marathon phone call with support and Rob did exactly that... took control of my laptop and witnessed first hand the issue I'm having. He took one of my files to his system and produced the same results. So I'm patiently awaiting a fix for this in an upcoming patch / build.
Solidrock's avi file shows exactly the same problem I'm having, so I know it is not just ME or my system.
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I have a similar issue at times. will generate a few tracks, and maybe do a tempo change and regenerate a bunch of them, and some will act up. I look at them and say it is a stereo track, near the end of the track, maybe the last few bars, one half will have no color to it for a stretch, and the other half is still yellow. Some mono tracks will have the color stop at a point, but the wave form is still there. It all seems to play, but kind of glitchy.
Robh, the key word here is "tempo change". Mitch, I'm willing to bet that your original song had a tempo change in it somewhere, maybe a ritard, or maybe a tempo change introduced after using the ACW, or other tempo change that you introduced into the song. That will trigger the behavior you described.
This first became an issue with the introduction of RB 2011, when Elastique became a feature. I had some correspondence with PG about it. They confirmed that the problem existed and they would work on a solution to be introduced in an update. But so far the problem still exists, even now with the intro of 2012.
Try creating another new song in RB and put a tempo change in it. Then try regenerating some (not all) bars. You can duplicate the problem this way. The only workaround I've found is to either re-generate the whole track (not a portion), or re-generate an additional, duplicate track and cut-and-paste what you need to use.
I was hoping the issue would be resolved for the 2012 edition, but so far not so.
Terry
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Terry, that is the 'work-around' I'm doing now... generate the same track on a different track, do the regen and copy / paste sections back into the original track.
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It looks like the issue Mitch describes is limited to songs with tempo changes in them. At least there were tempo changes in the examples that Rob looked at. That would explain why others aren't seeing it.
Mitch, please confirm that if possible.
We'll work on a patch for that, it has likely been present for a few years, not something new with 2012.
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Thanks for taking a look at the tempo change situation. Appreciated.
A lot of what made the ACW so powerful was the way RB could handle the resulting tempo map .. full of changes every measure, but generated flawlessly before !
Last edited by rharv; 12/12/11 04:46 PM.
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Peter, just loaded 4 tunes in Real Band that do NOT have any tempo changes. Behaviour is still the same... wipes out waveform when regenerating a section.
UPDATE.. just loaded a 5th tune with no tempo change and the regen works fine ! Why not on the other 4... don't have a clue.
UPDATE AGAIN. The other tunes I loaded DID have tempo changes. Looks like you may be right. I only have 2 tunes with no tempo changes and neither one have the problem with regen.
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ALSO.. just generated a brand new file w/ 2012 BIAB then into Real Band WITH TEMPO CHANGE.. Regen wipes out waveform...so it seems as if it IS related to tempo changes regardless of release ?
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