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I am unable to hear the VST effect while monitoring recording just the clean signal. Tried Amplitude, PG reverb and others and no joy. I do have Enable Input Monitoring selected and the VST loaded in the 1st slot. Now when I stop recording and keep take the recorded part is there and if I now play it back I can hear the VST but not when I am actually playing the part. Now if I select Allow Im effects recording and Enable Input monitoring when I play that back it is all distorted and if I now bypass the effect and play back the track it did not record the effect onto the track but just the clean signal..
I tried this on both of my computers with the same result. Computer 1 is win 7 32 bit with M-audio Delta 44 and computer 2 is Core I5 win7 64 bit with a Zoom R16 as the audio interface. Both computers are using their ASIO drivers of course because of the Input Monitoring. Everything works fine in Reaper as I can hear the Amplitude effect while playing. Anyone else care to try out what I am doing?
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Brian
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This is the weird thing. When you choose what VST to use, such as AT3, the very first thing you do is:
1. rt click on an empty track to make it an audio track
2. press the FX button
3. Hit the "track" drop down and scroll all the way to the bottom and choose "input monitoring"
4. Hit the "plugin" drop down and choose AT3
I little strange but that's how it works. Of course you need to use ASIO with the 2 boxes checked as you mention.
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This is the weird thing. When you choose what VST to use, such as AT3, the very first thing you do is:
1. rt click on an empty track to make it an audio track
2. press the FX button
3. Hit the "track" drop down and scroll all the way to the bottom and choose "input monitoring"
4. Hit the "plugin" drop down and choose AT3
I little strange but that's how it works. Of course you need to use ASIO with the 2 boxes checked as you mention.
Wow a little strange indeed John and thanks for finding that input monitoring all the way down at the bottom of the track drop down list. I was wondering why the output meters in AT3 was not showing anything even though I had Enable input monitoring selected in the Audio Set menu.
I also found out what the distorted sound is after I Record the track with the effect on it using the "Allow IM effects recording" in the Audio set menu. After recording the track it seems you must go back in the Audio Set menu and deselect the "Enable Input Monitoring" and then by pass AT3 and you will hear the real sound of the recorded track with the effect.
Anyway sure seems like a strange way to do this process.
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Brian
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Yes, if you leave the effect on the track, it will indeed put the effect on it again. You'll learn that one really quick <smile> like the rest of us; do it twice and you'll remember the third time.
As for the method; yes it is a little different. It does make sense when thought through; you are selcting the port for that track .. but it could be higher up the list. I'd guess initially it was put there to keep accidents at bay. If someone did it accidently it could be a pain for support. I'd like it more accessible.
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Yes, if you leave the effect on the track, it will indeed put the effect on it again. You'll learn that one really quick <smile> like the rest of us; do it twice and you'll remember the third time.
I think you might be misunderstanding what I am trying to say about the distortion. When I record the track with the effect inserted and the "Allow IM effects recording enabled". Then I remove amplitude out of the insert and just play back the recorded track it is all distorted. It is not until I go into the audio dialog box and unselect the "Allow IM effects recoring" then all this distortion is gone and I hear the recorded track with the effect that was recorded onto the track. In other words the effect is not being used twice.
Brian
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Oh, I get it now. I hadn't noticed that. What soundcard? This part threw me - Quote:
After recording the track it seems you must go back in the Audio Set menu and deselect the "Enable Input Monitoring" and then by pass AT3 and you will hear the real sound of the recorded track ..
You mentioned bypassing the AT3, so I thought that was a clue.
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Oh, I get it now. I hadn't noticed that.
What soundcard?
This part threw me -
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After recording the track it seems you must go back in the Audio Set menu and deselect the "Enable Input Monitoring" and then by pass AT3 and you will hear the real sound of the recorded track ..
You mentioned bypassing the AT3, so I thought that was a clue.
Yes Sorry about that Bob, I am using the Delta 44 on my desktop & a Zoom R16 for my laptop. Both computers do the same thing. I can work around around this by doing what I said but I am wondering if this is really the way it was intended? I just watched the Real Band video by the way and he did not record the effect onto the track like I was doing which is really the way to go if you want to edit the sound further down the road.
I do wish he had clicked on that "enable IM and recorded the effect to the track to see what his result was.
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Guys,
I have to humbly disagree with all that's been said.
When you use the "input monitoring" & "allow IM effects for recording" & you've selected "input monitoring" as your track insert:
1.The effect does not need to be disabled.It will not be reapplied. Look at the meters in the plugin
2. IM does not need to be disabled there is no distortion.
Once you've recorded in this manner if you then click the FX button and insert AT3 as a track plugin the effect will now be reapplied.
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Guys,
I have to humbly disagree with all that's been said.
When you use the "input monitoring" & "allow IM effects for recording" & you've selected "input monitoring" as your track insert:
1.The effect does not need to be disabled.It will not be reapplied. Look at the meters in the plugin
2. IM does not need to be disabled there is no distortion.
Once you've recorded in this manner if you then click the FX button and insert AT3 as a track plugin the effect will now be reapplied.
1. I will agree have tried it both ways did not make a difference
2. I definatly get distortion on 2 seperate systems on playback of that track until I disable the IM
Brian
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I can tell you why I haven't noticed; I do the same as the guy on the video Brian mentioned. Quote:
he did not record the effect onto the track like I was doing which is really the way to go if you want to edit the sound further down the road
I record dry instead of effected (while using IM), like that video you referenced. Then I use the same effect so I hear it being used during playback (creating the same sound I played thru while recording). I think this method gives more versatility in future sound edits. You can further adjust the effect as the mix progresses.
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I agree Bob I always record without any effects.Dry The exception to this is bass. I use the IKM interface and use AT3 in standalone mode. I record the line out of the IKM to the line in of the soundcard.Some people say "keep it digital" my opinion in this case is the output of the IKM Stealth interface IS my dry sound.Think of it as my amp in the studio. I'd always record through an amp.
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